Class 317 run down - diagrams and workings

[Jturner98]

Are there any 317s working today?

 

[TT-ONR-NRN]

Are there any 317s working today?

317s work every day at the moment. Since the first 720’s introduction, there has not yet been a day (excluding engineering works) where a pair hasn’t been out.

 

[warwickshire]

317s work every day at the moment. Since the first 720’s introduction, there has not yet been a day (excluding engineering works) where a pair hasn’t been out.

However last weekend just gone it did change because a few diagrams have become 720s with the recent moves of the 317s to ely in the last fortnight.
Ie Saturday 09th April only 317506 and 317510 was on Stansted with none out on the Sunday. Due to engineering works and a massive blockade taking place this weekend. Quite possible no 317s are out.

 

[JonathanH]

Seems unlikely to see any at the London end this weekend with services from Liverpool Street only going as far as Cheshunt and services from Stratford to Meridian Water. Today saw six single 720s on a quarter hourly Cheshunt shuttle and two single 720s on a half hourly Meridian Water shuttle.

 

[43102EMR]

Seems unlikely to see any at the London end this weekend with services from Liverpool Street only going as far as Cheshunt and services from Stratford to Meridian Water. Today saw six single 720s on a quarter hourly Cheshunt shuttle and two single 720s on a half hourly Meridian Water shuttle.

There were only a small number of pairs on Cambridge North to Stansted services today, so most likely little (if any) on the London end.

 

[Alfie1014]

Very interesting working this morning 317337/347/502 worked the 07:43 Witham - Liv St (possible last passenger working on the GEML?). Presumably worked by Ilford driver and due to the fact that the WAML had been closed most of the weekend for engineering works!

 

[Watershed]

Very interesting working this morning 317337/347/502 worked the 07:43 Witham - Liv St (possible last passenger working on the GEML?). Presumably worked by Ilford driver and due to the fact that the WAML had been closed most of the weekend for engineering works!

Yes, an Ilford driver. Rather inefficient as their turn consists entirely of taking the set off Ilford depot, taking it ECS to Witham, running to Liverpool Street, and then back to Ilford ECS!

 

[Kite159]

Very interesting working this morning 317337/347/502 worked the 07:43 Witham - Liv St (possible last passenger working on the GEML?). Presumably worked by Ilford driver and due to the fact that the WAML had been closed most of the weekend for engineering works!

Must be the only current triple 317 working as well

 

[warwickshire]

Will the 317s last beyond the may timetable? Because I have heard and have been told by a couple off Anglia drivers that some might possibly stay beyond may for a short while due to ongoing issues with 720s. Like the one on the 720 thread ie 720526 which got sent back to derby due to issues with it.
However could it be possible they remain but as standby vice 720s ie out some days not others ie as a reserve but no booked workings. Currently at present there is 3 booked diagrams. With and including monday to fridays additional to this also usually you get x2 vice 317 vice 720 diagrams extra. With occasionally some days just the one 317 vice 720. Whilst on other days occasionally up to x3 317 extra diagrams vice 720 also. It can vary from weekday to weekday though in the main its 5 diagrams 10 units. But you can get as little as 8 or as high as 12 out in public service .

 

[Alfie1014]

Yes, an Ilford driver. Rather inefficient as their turn consists entirely of taking the set off Ilford depot, taking it ECS to Witham, running to Liverpool Street, and then back to Ilford ECS!

I think it’s fair to say in the current circumstances many diagrams are not that efficient, what with COVID and an ever changing fleet plan something’s got to give!

 

[gaillark]

Can anybody supply todays 317 workings say from 1100 onwards to around 1700.
Thanks.

 

[37078xotTE]

What I can see for today:-

317337 + 317881
London Lvpool St		11:12	2O24
Hertford East	12:01	12:09	2O27
London Lvpool St	13:00	13:12	2O32
Hertford East	14:01	14:09	2O35
London Lvpool St	14:58	15:12	2O40
Hertford East	16:01	16:09	2O43
London Lvpool St	16:59	17:11	2D54
Hertford East	18:01	18:09	2O01
London Lvpool St	18:59	19:11	2H54
Cambridge	20:40
317343 + 317511
Stratford		11:16	2M20
Meridian Water S	11:31	11:38	2M21
Stratford	11:53	12:00	2S24
Bishops Stortfrd	12:56	13:15	2S33
Stratford	14:10	14:16	2M32
Meridian Water S	14:31	14:38	2M33
Stratford	14:53	15:00	2S36
Bishops Stortfrd	15:56	16:02	5H48
London Lvpool St	17:28	17:43	2H48
Cambridge	19:15	19:28	2H88
Cambridge North	19:33	19:52	2H61
Cambridge	19:58	20:03	2H61
London Lvpool St	21:15	21:28	2H64
Cambridge	22:52	22:53	2H64
Cambridge North	22:58
317347 + 317504
Cambridge North		11:13	2H27
Cambridge	11:19	11:20	2H27
London Lvpool St	12:45	12:58	2H30
Cambridge	14:08	14:13	2H30
Cambridge North	14:18	14:53	2H41
Cambridge	14:59	15:03	2H41
London Lvpool St	16:15	16:28	1H80
Cambridge	17:43	17:50	2H53
London Lvpool St	19:15	19:28	2H56
Cambridge	20:55	20:57	2H56
Cambridge North	21:02	21:13	2H67
Cambridge	21:18	21:20	2H67
London Lvpool St	22:45	22:58	2H70
Cambridge	00:09
317501 + 317506
London Lvpool St		11:28	2H24
Cambridge	12:51	12:53	2H24
Cambridge North	12:58	13:13	2H35
Cambridge	13:18	13:20	2H35
London Lvpool St	14:45	14:58	2H38
Cambridge	16:27	16:29	2H38
Cambridge North	16:34	16:43	2H49
Cambridge	16:49	16:50	2H49
London Lvpool St	18:16	18:37	1H88
Cambridge	19:47	19:53	1H88
Cambridge North	19:59	20:13	2H63
Cambridge	20:19	20:20	2H63
London Lvpool St	21:45	21:58	2H66
Cambridge	23:09
317502 + 317339
Cambridge		11:13	2H18
Cambridge North	11:18	11:53	2H29
Cambridge	11:59	12:03	2H29
London Lvpool St	13:15	13:28	2H32
Cambridge	14:51	14:53	2H32
Cambridge North	14:58	15:13	2H43
Cambridge	15:19	15:20	2H43
London Lvpool St	16:46	16:56	2O90
Broxbourne	17:29	17:35	1O97
London Lvpool St	18:02	18:26	2O96
Broxbourne	18:59	19:05	1O57
London Lvpool St	19:34
317340
Stratford		11:00	2S20
Bishops Stortfrd	11:56	12:15	2S29
Stratford	13:10	13:16	2M28
Meridian Water S	13:31	13:38	2M29
Stratford	13:53	14:00	2S32
Bishops Stortfrd	14:56	15:15	2S41
Stratford	16:10	16:16	2M40
Meridian Water S	16:31	16:38	2M41
Stratford	16:53	17:00	2M42
Meridian Water S	17:15	17:36	2M45
Stratford	17:51	18:00	2M48
Meridian Water S	18:15	18:36	2M49
Stratford	18:51	19:00	2M52
Meridian Water S	19:15	19:36	2M53
Stratford	19:51	20:00	2S56
Bishops Stortfrd	20:56	21:15	2S65
Stratford	22:10	22:16	2M64
Meridian Water S	22:31	22:38	2M65
Stratford	22:53	23:00	2S68
Bishops Stortfrd	23:51

 

[gaillark]

Thank you @37078xotTE!

 

[Bikeman78]

Will the 317s last beyond the may timetable? Because I have heard and have been told by a couple off Anglia drivers that some might possibly stay beyond may for a short while due to ongoing issues with 720s. Like the one on the 720 thread ie 720526 which got sent back to derby due to issues with it.
However could it be possible they remain but as standby vice 720s ie out some days not others ie as a reserve but no booked workings. Currently at present there is 3 booked diagrams. With and including monday to fridays additional to this also usually you get x2 vice 317 vice 720 diagrams extra. With occasionally some days just the one 317 vice 720. Whilst on other days occasionally up to x3 317 extra diagrams vice 720 also. It can vary from weekday to weekday though in the main its 5 diagrams 10 units. But you can get as little as 8 or as high as 12 out in public service .

Reported elsewhere that there are no booked diagrams in the new May timetable. Whether they will have short term diagrams from week to week, or whether control will simply put them out on any class 720 diagram remains to be seen.

It's interesting to compare the level of enthusiast interest between the largely similar class 317s and class 455s. There are hundreds of photos being posted of Southern 455s but hardly anyone seems interested in the 317s which could well disappear at the same time without any fanfare. Personally I find the Southern 455s rather tedious. They are driven quite cautiously on routes with stations very close together. By contrast the 317s get hammered. Even on the stoppers to Hertford East they get up to a decent speed between stations.

 

[antharro]

I've been out and about on the 317s a bit - the fast non-stop BXB-LST trains are good fun. Got video and photos which I'll put together and upload somewhere. I've also been out on the 455s but finding them on fast services is getting difficult!

 

[Kite159]

I've been out and about on the 317s a bit - the fast non-stop BXB-LST trains are good fun. Got video and photos which I'll put together and upload somewhere. I've also been out on the 455s but finding them on fast services is getting difficult!

Although from memory there are a couple of those non-stop trains to avoid as they followed a stopper so are very slow.

Liverpool Street will look very different when the 317s are gone, just the remaining 321s from the GA "Old Guard" on the Eastern side [and the remaining few 315s for TfL Rail].

 

[Bikeman78]

Although from memory there are a couple of those non-stop trains to avoid as they followed a stopper so are very slow.

They depart from Broxbourne 10 minutes behind the up Hertford train so they tend to catch up at Tottenham Hale.

 

[warwickshire]

Active today are the following
317347 with 317504
317881 with 317337
317501 with 317506 all on off peak Cambridge North to London Liverpool Street.
317340 ecs Bishops Stortford to London? Was in sidings earlier now gone.
317502 and 317339 on Bishops Stortford to Stratford off peak.
At momment only appears to be 8 out.
Compared to Monday and Tuesday in which 13 was out and Yesterday Tuesday 11 was out. Maybe a 720 has entered into service?

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317340 has just returned ecs empties back to Bishops stortford sidings from London Liverpool Street

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Also 317511 and 317343 are active on the Hertford East to London Liverpool Street of peak services as well.

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Reported elsewhere that there are no booked diagrams in the new May timetable. Whether they will have short term diagrams from week to week, or whether control will simply put them out on any class 720 diagram remains to be seen.

It's interesting to compare the level of enthusiast interest between the largely similar class 317s and class 455s. There are hundreds of photos being posted of Southern 455s but hardly anyone seems interested in the 317s which could well disappear at the same time without any fanfare. Personally I find the Southern 455s rather tedious. They are driven quite cautiously on routes with stations very close together. By contrast the 317s get hammered. Even on the stoppers to Hertford East they get up to a decent speed between stations.

Today what wasn't so great was a abeillo Anglia train driver objecting and becoming a bit aggressive to a elderly gent taking a photo and filming the train. Shouting at him angry saying he had no rights to do this and he couldn't film but could only film well away and part down the train causing some upset. Not professional and quite disappointing and distressing to see. Hopefully incidents like this don't occur reqular.
Certainly a driver with a bit of a issue.
Unlike most others who are a amazing credit to their role. I have in the past on the 317 came across this myself in the past. However sadly its still around today. Just hoping this isn't is the issue for enthusiasts to miss the final 317 days. Because in the main last couple or so days I have travelled it is the elderly generation that are enjoying the final rides on these. Most likely especially as these replaced the locomotive hauled services in the late eighties when they themselves was probably early to mid twenties etc.

 

[Bikeman78]

Today what wasn't so great was a abeillo Anglia train driver objecting and becoming a bit aggressive to a elderly gent taking a photo and filming the train. Shouting at him angry saying he had no rights to do this and he couldn't film but could only film well away and part down the train causing some upset. Not professional and quite disappointing and distressing to see. Hopefully incidents like this don't occur reqular.
Certainly a driver with a bit of a issue.
Unlike most others who are a amazing credit to their role. I have in the past on the 317 came across this myself in the past. However sadly its still around today. Just hoping this isn't is the issue for enthusiasts to miss the final 317 days. Because in the main last couple or so days I have travelled it is the elderly generation that are enjoying the final rides on these. Most likely especially as these replaced the locomotive hauled services in the late eighties when they themselves was probably early to mid twenties etc.

I must say I'm surprised about this. I've always found the drivers very friendly and I've chatted with a few of them in recent months. One driver happened to hop out of the cab to check the headlights as I was taking a photo and she apologised for getting in the way!

 

[warwickshire]

I must say I'm surprised about this. I've always found the drivers very friendly and I've chatted with a few of them in recent months. One driver happened to hop out of the cab to check the headlights as I was taking a photo and she apologised for getting in the way!

Yes yesterday service involved was the 2h48 1743 London liverpool Street to cambridge
For the record I am out and about again today all the other drivers are nice professional and really amazing.
Sightings today are.
317340 early peak Cambridge and pm peak Stratford
317343 317511 317504 317347 Cambridge off peak .
317884 317501 Bishops Stortford to Stratford off peak.

 

[Bikeman78]

Yes yesterday service involved was the 2h48 1743 London liverpool Street to cambridge
For the record I am out and about again today all the other drivers are nice professional and really amazing.
Sightings today are.
317340 early peak Cambridge and pm peak Stratford
317343 317511 317504 317347 Cambridge off peak .
317884 317501 Bishops Stortford to Stratford off peak.

Also 317502+317339 on 1112 LST-HFE. I did a round trip on that pair. I think 317337+317881 were on 1128 LST-CMB.

 

[warwickshire]

Also 317502+317339 on 1112 LST-HFE. I did a round trip on that pair. I think 317337+317881 were on 1128 LST-CMB.

Yes they are best me to it.
However same units all week.
Monday 25 th April 2022 saw 317510 with 317886. However took out of service Tuesday due to a fault also when travelling Monday despite a fault that pair kept running despite receiving fitters treatment all day long.
Just got these now. Nice driver tells me some are staying till July.
Like this week 720 failure more than 317. However no diagrams but will appear on different services on stp diagrams short term planning .
Week to week for a short spell.
But on saying that it is the same now with up to 3 extra stp 317 diagrams as it is.

 

[JonathanH]

It's interesting to compare the level of enthusiast interest between the largely similar class 317s and class 455s. There are hundreds of photos being posted of Southern 455s but hardly anyone seems interested in the 317s which could well disappear at the same time without any fanfare. Personally I find the Southern 455s rather tedious. They are driven quite cautiously on routes with stations very close together. By contrast the 317s get hammered. Even on the stoppers to Hertford East they get up to a decent speed between stations.

Indeed, the departure from Liverpool Street towards Tottenham Hale on a 317 with noisy traction motors involves much more change of sound than any 455 exit from Victoria or London Bridge, although the /6s were better than the remaining units.

 

[warwickshire]

Today's 317s are on the off peak Cambridge North circuits
317347 paired with 317504. 317337 paired with 317504. 317340 paired with 317501.

 

[warwickshire]

Today's 317s are on the off peak Cambridge North circuits
317347 paired with 317504. 317337 paired with 317504. 317340 paired with 317501.

Correction 317337 paired with 317881.

 

[warwickshire]

Further information 317337 with 317511 on Bishops Stortford to Stratford. With 317508 solo on Hertford East to London Liverpool Street. Whilst 317339 ecs Orient Way c.s to Hertford East to partnership up with this unit later on.

 

[warwickshire]

Further information 317337 with 317511 on Bishops Stortford to Stratford. With 317508 solo on Hertford East to London Liverpool Street. Whilst 317339 ecs Orient Way c.s to Hertford East to partnership up with this unit later on.

Correction 317502 solo on Hertford East to London Liverpool Streets.

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During the past two days or so again this week whilst travelling the 317s. Apart from the very odd one or two enthusiasts and that is the odd one.
Most of the time and all week in the main I was really the only one showing any interest in them. Don't forget the last booked workings finish in two weeks time. Abeillo Anglia are not doing a farewell tour for this class. Let us not forget the 455 class still will be around most likely for a year or so. They still remain and aren't finished. Don't understand the mad panic for a 455 on Southern. Over a class 317 about to end without a farewell tour. Don't forget the 317s have some nostalgia to being known as bed pans ie Bedford pans from the Bedford line the first class to do passenger, parcels and first class and also on network southeast the first class of such to do the revamp of services as well long distance services.
Sadly the class is very soon to be no more in service. Such a shame to see it go without not much interest either.
455 still remains. 317 will not remain.

 

[rcsn319]

are there still any 317 diagrams left?
If so after I finish work tomorrow it’s only fitting I try get my last ride in.

 

[warwickshire]

are there still any 317 diagrams left?
If so after I finish work tomorrow it’s only fitting I try get my last ride in.

Sunday sadly none due to Engineers works going on. However should be a few around on Monday though notably on Cambridge north and Hertford east and daytime Stratford to Bishops stortford. Around 4 to 5 diagrams.
However if can do Monday ask again on here and find out which are on.
Almost a guarantee if fact for certain some will remain this week. Most certainly on Monday and the rest. Not enough 720 out this week before May timetable change.

 

[rcsn319]

Good morning, does anyone know if there are any 317s out today?