TOCS Pay Offer 2025/26

[NorthernTech]

Nice one. Never have understood the strings squit. Just sign and agree. It always happened eventually.

So you are happy with any changes to your working terms and conditions for any pay rise, you just sign it regardless?? Rather worrying if so.. Are you not part of a union?

 

[dk1]

So are suggesting we just accept any old offer regardless of what’s attached, even if it’s detrimental to the grade and other grades

You’ve got the wrong end of the stick.

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So you are happy with any changes to your working terms and conditions for any pay rise, you just sign it regardless?? Rather worrying if so.. Are you not part of a union?

You’ve got the wrong end of the stick too!!

 

[reastreetmetro]

EMR - 9% over 2 years with strings

Can you share what these strings are please?

 

[43066]

Can you share what these strings are please?

A few bits and bobs: chiefly new technology being introduced and a fair bit of rostering flexibility to facilitate the 810 fleet introduction. For example drivers rostered to the new traction when they don’t sign it will be subject to diagram alterations to other work.

 

[CyrusWuff]

One year 3.4% deal for grades represented by the RMT at Chiltern. (Probably the same for the other unions as well, given all the collectively bargained grades have a 1st April anniversary date.)

 

[Mainsideman]

A few bits and bobs: chiefly new technology being introduced and a fair bit of rostering flexibility to facilitate the 810 fleet introduction. For example drivers rostered to the new traction when they don’t sign it will be subject to diagram alterations to other work.

Does this technology refer to driver controlling the doors?

 

[43066]

Does this technology refer to driver controlling the doors?

Nope.

 

[dk1]

Does this technology refer to driver controlling the doors?

I’d be very surprised if ASLEF would agree to that for a mere 4.5% per annum. GA only got away with DCO due to a loophole created in an agreement made during Anglia Railways days in the early 2000s.

 

[whoosh]

@Mainsideman

"Door Operations in line with the agreed method of operation."

That was what was in the EMR ASLEF pay deal.

The current method on Meridians is the driver releases the guard's panel and then the guard (called a 'Train Manager' on ex-Midland Mainline) opens and closes the doors and gives the 'ready to start' bell signal.


In July, the RMT stated, "The inclusion of door release as a “productivity item” in the Train Driver’s pay deal directly undermines the job roles, recognition, and safety responsibilities of RMT-represented grades."

I don't know if this has been cleared up or not.


Bear in mind that EMR is made up of former Midland Mainline Drivers and Train Managers (which was the TOC at the time of Meridian's introduction), and former Central Trains Drivers and Senior Conductors.
I think RMT are anxious that door control arrangements are not eroded for their members, by way of Meridian-style arrangements spreading, or future class 810 arrangements setting a standard across the TOC.

 

[father_jack]

3.4% with little or no strings seems to be the general thing.

From GWR....

 

[Hazwa89]

3.4% with little or no strings seems to be the general thing.

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Thanks! The electric vehicle scheme sounds interesting. I wonder if this is already in place at some TOCs?

 

[driver9000]

Thanks! The electric vehicle scheme sounds interesting. I wonder if this is already in place at some TOCs?

Yes it is.

 

[Mainsideman]

@Mainsideman

"Door Operations in line with the agreed method of operation."

That was what was in the EMR ASLEF pay deal.

The current method on Meridians is the driver releases the guard's panel and then the guard (called a 'Train Manager' on ex-Midland Mainline) opens and closes the doors and gives the 'ready to start' bell signal.


In July, the RMT stated, "The inclusion of door release as a “productivity item” in the Train Driver’s pay deal directly undermines the job roles, recognition, and safety responsibilities of RMT-represented grades."

I don't know if this has been cleared up or not.


Bear in mind that EMR is made up of former Midland Mainline Drivers and Train Managers (which was the TOC at the time of Meridian's introduction), and former Central Trains Drivers and Senior Conductors.
I think RMT are anxious that door control arrangements are not eroded for their members, by way of Meridian-style arrangements spreading, or future class 810 arrangements setting a standard across the TOC.

Ah ok so it refers to door release and not closing the doors?

Is there an agreed method of working for the 810s yet?

 

[Haru]

Thanks! The electric vehicle scheme sounds interesting. I wonder if this is already in place at some TOCs?

I assume salary sacrifice so they also save on pension contribution?

 

[Starmill]

TSSA = "Too Scared (to) Say Anything" meaning they're manager grades on higher money who roll over, have their bellies tickled and then take what's offered irrespective of selling their lower paid members out.

This is complete hyperbole.

 

[Jimbo12345]

Thanks! The electric vehicle scheme sounds interesting. I wonder if this is already in place at some TOCs?

Recently introduced at TfL

 

[Wyrleybart]

This is complete hyperbole.

Agree "Starmill" but some folk feel the need to repeat those tired old cliches don't they

 

[Starmill]

Agree "Starmill" but some folk feel the need to repeat those tired old cliches don't they

Indeed. I'd say it actually makes it harder for TSSA members to achieve good pay and working conditions by certain members resorting to name-calling and the like.

 

[baz962]

Ah ok so it refers to door release and not closing the doors?

Is there an agreed method of working for the 810s yet?

Same as now i believe.

 

[thelongestroad]

Does anyone know if the TSSA has received an offer from TPE and if its out for referendum?

 

[whoosh]

I assume salary sacrifice so they also save on pension contribution?

I have taken part in the salary sacrifice Cycle to Work scheme, and pension contributions stayed the same.

The company saves on National Insurance.
The employee saves on Income Tax and National Insurance.

With the Cycle to Work scheme, I believe the company may be able to claim back VAT on the cost of the bike as well.

 

[father_jack]

Indeed. I'd say it actually makes it harder for TSSA members to achieve good pay and working conditions by certain members resorting to name-calling and the like.

4% of £20k is the same as 4% of £60k ? I thought mathematics was a basic entry qualification for railway management grades ?

 

[Starmill]

4% of £20k is the same as 4% of £60k ? I thought mathematics was a basic entry qualification for railway management grades ?

Like I said personal insults like that will get you nothing.

 

[KM1991]

Still cannot believe the RMT are agreeing to 3.4% pay deals with no minimum uplift for those under a certain amount. Awful

 

[reastreetmetro]

Still cannot believe the RMT are agreeing to 3.4% pay deals with no minimum uplift for those under a certain amount. Awful

Agreed, very poor bargaining strategy from RMT indeed. More focus needed on restoring real terms pay lost since 2021 due to sub-inflation pay deals.

 

[greatkingrat]

Still cannot believe the RMT are agreeing to 3.4% pay deals with no minimum uplift for those under a certain amount. Awful

What do you think the RMT can do about it? It is clear the figures have come from the DfT and the TOCs don't have any wiggle room unless there are T+C changes.

 

[KM1991]

What do you think the RMT can do about it? It is clear the figures have come from the DfT and the TOCs don't have any wiggle room unless there are T+C changes.

What I think they should do is not accept such a poor pay offer compared to what the government has offered/given other sectors for the same year.

This is on top of back to back below inflation pay rises for the previous 2 years.

 

[Starmill]

What I think they should do is not accept such a poor pay offer compared to what the government has offered/given other sectors for the same year.

This is on top of back to back below inflation pay rises for the previous 2 years.

Compared to what other sectors? And what do you mean not accept it? Take strike action at 14 different employers simultaneously?

I think you're probably in some denial about the power of a monopsonist here.

 

[TTD31]

What I think they should do is not accept such a poor pay offer compared to what the government has offered/given other sectors for the same year.

This is on top of back to back below inflation pay rises for the previous 2 years.

I agree with you. NR accepted a 3.4% pay rise and literally the week after the Govt we're offering payrises to the rest of the public sector rises between 4-5.5%.

 

[father_jack]

What do you think the RMT can do about it? It is clear the figures have come from the DfT and the TOCs don't have any wiggle room unless there are T+C changes.

Correct. 3.4% is low but is all that's on offer. But NO STRINGS is the clincher. With 7 day railway negotiations ready to change everyone's workplace the recommended acceptance is wise.