TfW Class 67+Mk4 sets: trip planning/experiences, diagram updates etc

[Chester025]

Planned for the diagram 04:54 Crewe to Cardiff, 8:49 Cardiff-Manchester, 12:30 Manchester to Cardiff, 16:49 Cardiff to Manchester, 20:30 Manchester to Crewe.

Thank you!

 

[aar0]

And here we are! 67016's first passenger service with TfW, 1W60 1455 Swansea - Manchester (from Cardiff to Manchester)

As in a loco change at Cardiff or a whole change from a unit?

 

[sd0733]

As in a loco change at Cardiff or a whole change from a unit?

Was a set swap from Canton replacing a a unit.

 

[Jacob Porrett]

Today at Crewe depot (7/10/24):

67014 connected to HD01

67020 connected to HD04

67015 has arrived light engine. Wasn't meant to be here by the looks of it - ran 0Z67 from Crewe IEMD to Crewe IEMD.

 

[sd0733]

Today at Crewe depot (7/10/24):

67014 connected to HD01

67020 connected to HD04

67015 has arrived light engine. Wasn't meant to be here by the looks of it - ran 0Z67 from Crewe IEMD to Crewe IEMD.

67015 had that as it's test run after repairs as it was obviously successful it ran straight onto ATC and is now the north recovery loco.

67014+HD01 should be released from repair tomorrow after their failure on Saturday which will allow 67025+
HD07 to head over from Crewe ETD following temporary storage and allow its heavy exam to begin.

67020+HD04 were serviceable spare today but are planned out tomorrow replacing 67016+HD06 which become the Crewe spare rake, that's then planned out on Wednesday as an additional diagram to get it to Canton so that there's a spare at both ends. Once 01 is released tomorrow all of HD01-06 are then available for service so there can be both a Canton and Crewe spare.

 

[BillStampy]

Once 01 is released tomorrow all of HD01-06 are then available for service so there can be both a Canton and Crewe spare.

Hopefully it'll last for the 3 weeks before my trip to Crewe for a hopefully comfy trip and some meals in first.. we'll have to see!

 

[Philip Roberts]

Is there any news on the fifth diagram?

 

[sd0733]

All 7 sets are moving today, not sure that's ever happened before. There's been a few loco swaps too following failures of 67014 and 67016 at Crewe.

67015+HD01 should work https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/service/gb-nr:15186/2024-10-08/detailed as a trial run later.

HD02, HD03, HD04 and HD05 are in service while 67025+HD06 are planned to work 17:30 Crewe Manchester and 18:30 to Cardiff vice 197 later. 06 should also work 14:49 Cardiff to Manchester and return vice 197 tomorrow (Crew signing etc permitted)

67025 (since swapped to HD06)+HD07 ran earlier from Crewe ETD to Crewe ATC for exam.

Broken 67016 will be hauled by fellow almost as broken but not quite 67014 later or tomorrow back to Crewe ETD for repairs.

 

[sd0733]

Is there any news on the fifth diagram?

other than ad-hoc covering then I believe the plan is still December Timetable change for it to come in full time.

 

[Welshguy1048]

All 7 sets are moving today, not sure that's ever happened before. There's been a few loco swaps too following failures of 67014 and 67016 at Crewe.

67015+HD01 should work https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/service/gb-nr:15186/2024-10-08/detailed as a trial run later.

HD02, HD03, HD04 and HD05 are in service while 67025+HD06 are planned to work 19:10 Crewe to Cardiff vice 197 later. 06 should also work 14:49 Cardiff to Manchester and return vice 197 tomorrow.

67025 (since swapped to HD06)+HD07 ran earlier from Crewe ETD to Crewe ATC for exam.

Broken 67016 will be hauled by fellow almost as broken but not quite 67014 later or tomorrow back to Crewe ETD for repairs.

Where did 67016 and 67014 have the problems?

 

[sd0733]

Where did 67016 and 67014 have the problems?

014 had issues near Stockport on Saturday, 016 was spare today so was on the depot.

 

[BillStampy]

Seems 67025 + HD06 is swapping onto the diagram before! Means we get a MK4 departure off Manchester at 18:30 for once!

 

[sd0733]

Seems 67025 + HD06 is swapping onto the diagram before! Means we get a MK4 departure off Manchester at 18:30 for once!

Yes, amended the original post, loco swap done quicker than originally thought so its ready for the inbound rather than just the return.

 

[JakeMurphy]

What’s wrong with 016?

 

[37052 xb mr]

Test run with 67015 set 1
Hasn’t left as yet

 

[37052 xb mr]

Where did 67016 and 67014 have the problems?

Both where on sets at
Crewe ATC

 

[BillStampy]

Smooth swap out looking at RTT, 1 minute down off Crewe.

 

[Jacob Porrett]

Crewe depot today (8/10/24):

67015 connected to HD01

HD07 (hopefully a loco on it soon)

67025 connected to HD06 (mentioned already) swapped with 197122

67016 spare as mentioned already

Also another 67 in the wheel lathe shed but I don't work in there so unable to identify.

 

[sd0733]

Test run with 67015 set 1
Hasn’t left as yet

Looks like it'll be reschedule for tomorrow. Not enough spare crews to do 2 preps simultaneously with HD06 going out earlier. HD01 was the planned Crewe spare anyway tomorrow so operationally it makes little difference. Not getting HD06 off would have meant either W23 or W65 would have to be subbed to avoid overloading Crewe.

 

[BillStampy]

Looks like it'll be reschedule for tomorrow. Not enough spare crews to do 2 preps simultaneously with HD06 going out earlier. HD01 was the planned Crewe spare anyway tomorrow so operationally it makes little difference. Not getting HD06 off would have meant either W23 or W65 would have to be subbed to avoid overloading Crewe.

Nevermind! It's out running 171 down

 

[gazthomas]

If airplanes had as many problems as these locos and carriages there would be many people dead

 

[sd0733]

Nevermind! It's out running 171 down

Plan C seemingly! At least it means they've all been out today and will be 6 available tomorrow. Still showing as cancelled due to train crew on RTT.

 

[sd0733]

If airplanes had as many problems as these locos and carriages there would be many people dead

Not many door or brake issues to affect on a flying aircraft though. Most of the faults on these (or other fleets) don't see them suddenly completely lose power and that's it.

 

[BillStampy]

Plan C seemingly! At least it means they've all been out today and will be 6 available tomorrow. Still showing as cancelled due to train crew on RTT.

How long will it last though based on exam timings for them all? HD05 has seemingly gone fine for a long while which is a good sign..

 

[gazthomas]

Not many door or brake issues to affect on a flying aircraft though. Most of the faults on these (or other fleets) don't see them suddenly completely lose power and that's it.

Planes have doors and brakes, maybe they're better engineered or maintained

 

[Ash Bridge]

Planes have doors and brakes, maybe they're better engineered or maintained

Unless they are manufactured by Boeing

 

[gazthomas]

Unless they are manufactured by Boeing

Can't disagree with you there!

But it raises an interesting debate about reliability of different forms of transport

 

[sd0733]

Planes have doors and brakes, maybe they're better engineered or maintained

Obviously! The reality is though that the systems are fail safe and therefore come to a stop on a train, with brakes jammed on or door issues not allowing the train to move. On the aircraft analogy it would be stuck on the tarmac and wouldn't be able to take off, therefore people wouldn't be dead as per the original post.

While there are still too many issues, the vast majority are either found on depot or make it to the depot to be swapped out rather than just sitting down in service and so is different to the aircraft scenario of basically falling out the sky.

 

[sd0733]

How long will it last though based on exam timings for them all? HD05 has seemingly gone fine for a long while which is a good sign..

I don't want to jinx things (!) But exams are now much better balanced and if a set does have to wait a day or 2 it's now held at Crewe ETD rather than Holyhead which saves ages. Also using the wheel lathe there rather than Canton saves an age too, as it doesn't have to travel from the exam and also the Crewe lathe will take the rake as it comes but the Canton one requires it splitting and putting back together.

 

[Lurcheroo]

Planes have doors and brakes, maybe they're better engineered or maintained

Or maybe you don’t understand much about the engineering behind the different forms of transport ?

Planes have plenty of issues don’t you worry!