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Baxenden Bank

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WesternBiker said:
Thank you for the update. A very helpful resource.

Should Devizes Gateway be added to the list as the study is now being funded under the "Restoring Your Railway" fund (alongside e.g. Haxby, which is on the list here)?

Apologies if I have misinterpreted the criteria...!
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Ah, well, you see.....

My preference would be for Haxby (and several others) NOT to be in the list as it/they are still very speculative regarding whether they will actually go ahead and if so the dates when they will open. But I inherited the list from others who started, then updated the thread, and I thought it would be bad form to start deleting things (without a specific reason).

There are a large number of proposals at various stages as part of Restoring Your Railway and also other initiatives outside RYR.
Restoring Your Railway Fund - Programme Update June 2022 gives a list of RYR proposals and a map. The document is downloadable from DfT / Network Rail. Something like 61 stations in total.

Some others outside RYR include;
Charfield (end 2024) which was unsuccessful for RYR funding but gained funding from elsewhere for a business case to be prepared.
Golborn also unsuccessful for RYR funding but gained funding from elsewhere.
Portishead and Pill are progressing (slowly) under the Metrowest banner.
Wixams (2024) is progressing outside RYR for which I noted this comment 'The planned date for the opening of Wixams station is currently July 2024, around 11 years late.'

My 'big list' currently has 616 proposed new stations.

I like there to be a construction contract in place with a completion date, short of that all approvals in place (planning, funding, rail industry) but the dates on those can be very optimistic.
 
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Edginswell Station delayed again by a year to 2024/25. Council has no money for their part because of rising costs. The government 7.8m has been in the bank since November 2020. Still no new plans that were due this summer.
 
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Baxenden Bank said:
Ah, well, you see.....

I like there to be a construction contract in place with a completion date, short of that all approvals in place (planning, funding, rail industry) but the dates on those can be very optimistic.
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Thank you - that's very clear and it makes sense. The timescales from approvals to delivery does seem to vary significantly project to project, but I'll not start (another) conversation on that!
 
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WesternBiker said:
Thank you - that's very clear and it makes sense. The timescales from approvals to delivery does seem to vary significantly project to project, but I'll not start (another) conversation on that!
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Things are often not as 'approved' as people announcing them like to make out. Posturing or politicking to make it look like something is happening. As in, a scheme might gain one approval but still be waiting for others which they neglect to mention in their press release and journalists don't pick it up. For example: planning permission granted, but not have funding yet, or gone through rail industry GRIP. Similarly projects get written into strategic plans with a date essentially plucked from the air - far enough away to be realistic from a physical construction point of view but wholly unrealistic taking into account the many other aspects.

Things which are contracted can be still subject to delays but they do generally get completed. Any date which is less than contracted is the stuff of dreams: may, might, could open in xxxx. I like 'will open in xxxx'. The list of 'happening' schemes which then didn't is quite long, but a few do get there eventually!
 
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Xenophon PCDGS said:
December 2022 seems to be a month promised when certain station openings will again occur. Is this to do with December 2022 new timetables by any chance?
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Yes - generally schedules tend to be amended to add (or advertise) new station calls at the timetable change dates - although it's possible to change them mid-timetable, subject to a little more adminstration.
 
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Xenophon PCDGS said:
December 2022 seems to be a month promised when certain station openings will again occur. Is this to do with December 2022 new timetables by any chance?
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Yes, agree with Watershed. It's very convenient to do changes all in one go. Sometimes (e.g. Reading Green Park, Portway) the timetable change to permit station calls happens in advance so opening can, essentially, be any time. Other operators prefer to do things differently.
 
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Baxenden Bank said:
Ah, well, you see.....

My preference would be for Haxby (and several others) NOT to be in the list as it/they are still very speculative regarding whether they will actually go ahead and if so the dates when they will open. But I inherited the list from others who started, then updated the thread, and I thought it would be bad form to start deleting things (without a specific reason).

There are a large number of proposals at various stages as part of Restoring Your Railway and also other initiatives outside RYR.
Restoring Your Railway Fund - Programme Update June 2022 gives a list of RYR proposals and a map. The document is downloadable from DfT / Network Rail. Something like 61 stations in total.

Some others outside RYR include;
Charfield (end 2024) which was unsuccessful for RYR funding but gained funding from elsewhere for a business case to be prepared.
Golborn also unsuccessful for RYR funding but gained funding from elsewhere.
Portishead and Pill are progressing (slowly) under the Metrowest banner.
Wixams (2024) is progressing outside RYR for which I noted this comment 'The planned date for the opening of Wixams station is currently July 2024, around 11 years late.'

My 'big list' currently has 616 proposed new stations.

I like there to be a construction contract in place with a completion date, short of that all approvals in place (planning, funding, rail industry) but the dates on those can be very optimistic.
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These are just funded to develop business cases. My hunch RYR or not is still that none of them will ever see spades in the ground in my lifetime (I'm 53)
 
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Glenn1969 said:
These are just funded to develop business cases. My hunch RYR or not is still that none of them will ever see spades in the ground in my lifetime (I'm 53)
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I have made a note and will return (as a ghost) to the subject in your 103rd year to see how many happened.

As a cynic my view would be that many of the business cases are being funded merely to prove that some proposals really are lost causes. Then they can be kicked so far into the long grass that they never come back. But no-one will be able to argue that they weren't properly considered. Plus, to get consideration in future, a proposer will need to argue that the study was either fundamentally wrong or things have fundamentally changed eg 1,000's of new houses built next door.
 
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Baxenden Bank said:
As a cynic my view would be that many of the business cases are being funded merely to prove that some proposals really are lost causes. Then they can be kicked so far into the long grass that they never come back. But no-one will be able to argue that they weren't properly considered. Plus, to get consideration in future, a proposer will need to argue that the study was either fundamentally wrong or things have fundamentally changed eg 1,000's of new houses built next door.
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From my experience of scheme proposals, those producing the business cases (whether directly or via some consultant working to their instructions) truly believe that their scheme is the best thing since sliced bread, and cannot accept if the numbers don't add up. In their view, the numbers must be wrong, or some influencing factor needs more/less weighting, or... In one example I know, there are several possible sites. 'The numbers' prove that one site is the best, the proposers prefer another site because, well, that was what was in their heads before the case started so it's 'obviously' the best. They are doing what they can to massage the figures to give the preferred answer (and, I think, risk damaging the rest of the case in doing so).

So, from my sample, I don't believe a single business case is generated to prove that a scheme is a lost cause. Rather, they try to prove that lost causes aren't.

As you suggest, outside influences do change, like thousands of houses built next door, and in those situations revisiting the case can be beneficial (especially if it was marginal whether it passed or failed the test).
 
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pdeaves said:
From my experience of scheme proposals, those producing the business cases (whether directly or via some consultant working to their instructions) truly believe that their scheme is the best thing since sliced bread, and cannot accept if the numbers don't add up. In their view, the numbers must be wrong, or some influencing factor needs more/less weighting,
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An astute observation. If the numbers don’t add up, then the methodology must be wrong (conveniently forgetting that the methodology works for lots of projects!)
 
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Cambridge South has entered 'Network Change' stage. This is an industry consultation process, after which (if no outstanding unaddressed concerns) Network Rail is free to build. Network Change is usually a formality and is only carried out if things like funding are in place, so implies construction will happen.
 
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REVUpminster said:
Edginswell Station delayed again by a year to 2024/25. Council has no money for their part because of rising costs. The government 7.8m has been in the bank since November 2020. Still no new plans that were due this summer.
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I am sure the local Tory MP Kevin Foster (who is now a transport minister) will have little to say except support the Government.... :rolleyes:
 
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Photos of Portway on RMWeb by JZ show some rapid progress (Reading Green Park take note!) has been made over the last few weeks, with the platform surface and edging now complete. Just fences, platform furniture, and PA screens to go.

www.rmweb.co.uk

The changing face of Bristol

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Bond Street, on the Elizabeth Line, now announced as opening on 24 October. Subject to final approvals.
 
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A planning application for Charfield station (north Bristol area) has been submitted. There are 47 pages of documents including plans

Planning application P22/05778/R3F at South Gloucestershire


It is on old station site off Wooton Road, location map link


This is general arrangement of new (reopened) station


Looks like it will have a generic Beacon footbridge with 16 person lifts and stairways. Platforms 126m long x 3.3m wide

126m platforms is odd length, as most stock in Bristol area is 23m and 5x23m is 115m, too short for a 5x26m IET

There is a lot of background info in the travel plan (warning it is 166 page pdf)

 
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Snow1964 said:
A planning application for Charfield station (north Bristol area) has been submitted. There are 47 pages of documents including plans

Planning application P22/05778/R3F at South Gloucestershire


It is on old station site off Wooton Road, location map link


This is general arrangement of new (reopened) station


Looks like it will have a generic Beacon footbridge with 16 person lifts and stairways. Platforms 126m long x 3.3m wide

126m platforms is odd length, as most stock in Bristol area is 23m and 5x23m is 115m, too short for a 5x26m IET
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Those links are all broken! Or maybe it's their website being strange, most councils seem to have pretty poor websites.
 
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py_megapixel said:
Those links are all broken! Or maybe it's their website being strange, most councils seem to have pretty poor websites.
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This is often intentional, we’ve mentioned it in the past. I believe the majority of planning websites either use links that time out, or some sort of cookies, apparently it’s to stop you bypassing the part of the website where you acknowledge the copyright restrictions etc. I generally just post planning reference numbers for this reason.
 
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Snow1964 said:
A planning application for Charfield station (north Bristol area) has been submitted. There are 47 pages of documents including plans

Planning application P22/05778/R3F at South Gloucestershire


It is on old station site off Wooton Road, location map link


This is general arrangement of new (reopened) station


Looks like it will have a generic Beacon footbridge with 16 person lifts and stairways. Platforms 126m long x 3.3m wide

126m platforms is odd length, as most stock in Bristol area is 23m and 5x23m is 115m, too short for a 5x26m IET

There is a lot of background info in the travel plan (warning it is 166 page pdf)

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I shall wait until things firm up before adding it to the list at #1.

Previous news was (during consultation in October 2021): anticipates that a planning application will be submitted in April 2022, and a full business case in December 2022, with construction to start in 2023 for opening at the end of 2024. An hourly service is envisaged.

Previously it was stated to open in 2023.

Slippery things these development timescales.
 
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pdeaves said:
According to a notice received yesterday, Inverness Airport station "will not enter into passenger service until December 2022". Track and signalling should be brought into use on 24 October.
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There is a 2 week line possession from next weekend to install the S&C and signalling. Plus I understand the station footbridge has also been installed. (note same contractor as East Linton) Sorry - don't have any photos yet.
 
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It is now possible to buy tickets to Reading Green Park from ticket machines at Reading :)
 
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