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Like binning brand new and as not yet built trains for others?

Thanks. I think this knocks the "fairly normal lifespan for very high speed rolling stock" myth out of the park. :) There are plenty other reasons that the 373s are being chopped, but the end normal life isn't even close.

The market isn't big enough to justify the costs.

Yes, that was the point of the NoL/Regional Eurostar project. Quite why is another question in the era of low cost flights, which was only in it's formative years when the tunnel opened. The NoL sets also reached Edinburgh as well as Manchester, and Glasgow, that I can remember.

Exactly!

Yes, the 395s use it daily.

Not far off the mark though.

And vice versa...

Did the Chiltern mark 3s in full Blue and Grey, with flush to the bodywork doors, cause problems?

Which makes it even more remarkable that a door that you physically have to open was managed with just fine, and one that is high density, (and might just have other people using the doors) is suddenly a problem. I accept the compromise, think it's been nicely done, however the indignation...

Chiltern seemed to manage...

Of course, I just wondered. :)

Correct me if I'm wrong, but don't the ones that do run have currently have the enhancements?

I think we can agree Japan is a special case when it comes to very high speed trains, hence their disposal policy. Europe on the other hand differs, and I agree the Eurostars are highly complex trains, and that is a much better reason for disposal, compared with this continuing myth of it's...

Yet many times we've been told this is the norm for very high speed trains, but there's no evidence (in European practice) of it being true.

They, and the ICE1s have lasted much longer than the quoted "norm" though. So what is the European norm? Comparing European practice with Japan is ludicrous.

World, or European? The PSE TGVs must be remarkable then. The ICE1s not bad too.

I guess Scotrail decided it was worth fitting plough shaped deflectors at some point.

Thanks. I guess at the time they were initially leased they were still technically owned by the Government, but with the changes in EIL, that's all different now.

Hmm, that's a bit of a disappointment. When you compare the old with new, the old seems to make a much greater use of space, and while the old looks a bit claustrophobic, similar lighter colours to the new stock would have lifted that feeling. I do hope that the only baggage stowage isn't...