Unlikely they'll get a full repaint with GBR on the Horizon. With Gat Ex 387s running around on the coast.. and on Bognor/Eastbourne to London Bridge peak services, it's a bit of a mess.
My bold - Schtum, that will mean the WiFi will work better as less using it !.
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Apparently they have an SDO software issue and will be going back to GN until the new software comes.Looks like the GWR 387’s are being swapped with another three 387’s as the following moves are in for tomorrow:
Realtime Trains | 5Z98 0956 Hornsey E.M.U.D. to Selhurst T&R.S.M.D | 21/12/2024
Real-time train running information for 5Z98 0956 departure from Hornsey E.M.U.D. to Selhurst T&R.S.M.D on 21/12/2024. From Realtime Trains, an independent source of train running info for Great Britain.A few pictures have emerged of 387172 now wearing a GN logo so it would strongly indicate they’re being swapped, for now anyway.Realtime Trains | 5Z97 1139 Selhurst T&R.S.M.D to Hornsey E.M.U.D. | 21/12/2024
Real-time train running information for 5Z97 1139 departure from Selhurst T&R.S.M.D to Hornsey E.M.U.D. on 21/12/2024. From Realtime Trains, an independent source of train running info for Great Britain.
Expect them to be used on Mid Kent and Tunbridge Wells services as they are intnded to be Mainline stock.The CHX to Gillingham service is a Metro service.Hiya, sorry just to confirm who is “we” and told by who?
I assume by "Mid Kent" you're referring to the Maidstone East Line and not the Hayes line, the latter being called the "Mid Kent line" (even though it's a complete misnomer).
Yes 377121-132 have plug sockets
Yes apparently the 377/5’s will be aurora refurbed as well
I suspect that means that all units should get plug sockets fitted if they are not already fitted, given that has happened with pretty much all of the Southern Class 377s, other than some of the /3 subclass which seems like that was last in the queue to be done. Either way, its a pretty light refurbishment anyway, so not much to really be done.
While I obviously can't confirm this beyond all doubts, I suspect that will be the case, given Selhurst (and probably other Southern depots) obviously have all of the equipment designed specifically for Class 377s, although I suspect some of the lighter maintenance could easily be done at SE's depots, alongside the Class 375s. That is unless Southeastern or any future operator (of either trains and/or infrastructure) invests in improving facilities at the Southeastern depots to allow Class 377s to be fully maintained there, saving them having to constantly cross over to Southern's network for maintenance. Maybe in the very long term, they could even look at converting the Southeastern Class 377s into Class 375s, in turn allowing those fleets to operate together more easily and be maintained at the same place.
Is there a material technical difference between a 375 and 377 as i believe its the same traction equipment but not sure about software build.
Yep that’s correct, saw both 123 and 126 outside Selhurst Depot yesterday. They’re now at Lovers Walk I believe
I think there are some very slight differences between them, at least enough to prevent them from working together, and requiring SE Class 377s to have to go to Selhurst. If they were completely identical, then they would have been reclassified to 377s when their couplers were changed from Tightlocks to Dellners.
Might just be one of those paperwork things where the clearance was for 375s as at the time the 377s were also classified as 375s. No one has bothered to update the paperwork to reflect the changes in classification because there has been no need.
Which makes sense, considering they’re majority used for Southern Metro services for which DOO is sensible, rather than 375s which predominantly work the mainline routes of SE.
Do the existing 377/5s at SE a) also have DOO cameras and b) utilise them when in operation with SE in DOO areas? (I know they don't in guard-operated areas like the Maidstone East line beyond Otford).
377121 & 122 are in passenger service for the first time today, working together on services between Victoria and Ramsgate/Dover Priory via Chatham.
I've been told that the 377/7s are the only units left on Southern that is having the Aurora update (power sockets etc.), so that indicates the /1, /2, /3, /4 & /6 units have been done.
Thank you for this information. What a shame they didn’t escape before Southern ruined the PIS
Oh? Will the work be identical for SE as what Southern ordered? Will we lose the nice PIS from these too?
Does the 377 DOO Camera make them wider and thus a problem for the Shakespeare Tunnels?
The operative word there being now.
I believe 387172-387174, 387301-306 and the 379s will be aurora upgraded too. I heard it from a southern worker on a fb group so not sure how true it is but it would make sense to aurora upgrade all electrostars that are with GTR.
It might be easier to "upgrade" the software on the 9 or so 387s that might want to work with 379s - genuine question ?.
