I suspect the problem with that sort of approach is that in an actual emergency with confusion / possibly fire / whatever / going on people's instinct is to just go for what looks like a door near where they are and then find they think they are trapped and don't know what to do to exit quickly - so it's probably not acceptable approach from a safety evacuation point of view. - Just my hunch.
The rules state that a passenger vehicle on the mainline must have CDL. I think we're beyond trying to find a solution to allow otherwise
If you want to avoid the looks, I believe Tornado has the air pump it hidden somewhere in the tender. Presumably it would not be impossible to fit an uprated electric turbo-generator and then hide a modern electric air compressor somewhere out of the way, if the exhaust beat is that much of an issue. Although having your Black 5 start up like a class 508 might be even weirder!
Good idea but.
I thought we were talking about fitting air brakes, rather than fitting ETH to a kettle?
I misunderstood RichardAsh's post
Yes but West coast likely thinks that's too expensive. The logic being fitting air brakes to 5 locos would be cheaper than fitting CDL to 20 coaches.
Yeah, you wouldn't need the locos to provide ETH , WC trains almost always have a 47 on the back
And that is the problem to those of us who wonder.
Except the Jacobite services where each hired in black five and WCR rake runs once a day, seven days a week. Four trains per day in peak season. The WCR fleet of black fives 44767 44932 and 45110 could operate the Jacobite unmodifed if WCR were to adopt the "Tyseley" CDL mod, but I am assuming WCR chief prefers to hire Ian Riley's dual braked black fives in.
LSL tours are also considerably more expensive. Would they still be able to sell standard class tickets for £115(while the other main steam operator would charge £150 for a comparable tour) if they decided to pay for CDL on ancient vac braked rolling stock rather than use the stock they already own which was pre-fited.
I doubt it (though Yorkshire farmers are notoriously tight-fisted). The cost would easily be covered by what he's losing in revenue because of an inability to run trains. Smithy thinks that he can run his train set like it's still 1968 and doesn't want things like air brakes or CDL gubbins dispelling that illusion.
You are going with the agenda I fear !!! WCRs Mk2 aircons were introduced around 1971-1972 but the last Mk1 TSOs on the 50xx series were very early 1960s IIRC so there is around a decade of age between them.
That makes no sense.
Does it need to make sense? If he was applying logic he'd have got on and fitted it when the ORR told him too. Some of it is just plain stubbornness, he resents having to cooperate with the modern world and its safety regimes.
But a completely unforced error when running mainline charters. You can argue until the cows come home about whether increased safety regimes are 'right', but that doesn't change the fact compliance is necessary to avoid losing market share and business.
He's complied , but just not in the way that keeps the mark 1s, which makes the whole tosh about how he ideologically opposes health and safety false. He just opposes spending money where he doesn't have to.
Bad enough on a 25mph branch line, never mind the national network.
Only because he isn't allowed to run otherwise. He's also been fighting every step of the way, despite the fact that ORR showed absolutely no signs that they'd be prepared to budge.
Is there a picture? The windows on Mk2e coaches are shallower than on the earlier Mk2s with opening windows.
See the seventh vehicle in the train in this Youtube video shared in another forum post:
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That is one of the Riviera standard class conversions. I was asking about a first class coach.
I assumed there wouldn't be any difference in the window design. Photos of specific vehicles do indeed seem to be few and far between.
It didn't look like there were any new conversions in the videos I saw of the Lune Rivers and RTC trips today. It looked like 5239 was in the formation of the former with two of the ex-Riviera standard class coaches with opening windows, and the other ex-Riviera opening window coach was in the formation of the RTC trip.
