Northern rolling stock changes post electrification

[Loop & Link]

The first train affected yesterday (11 June) was 13:16 Lime St - Manchester Airport, terminated at Wavertree Technology Park due to "no power in overhead". Passengers (including me) evacuated, those bound for Manchester sent back to Lime St. to use services via CLC route. At the time, train crew had no info. about cause of problem.

(Wonder if it was a repeat of an incident last week, caused by bird's nest connecting 25 kV to earth ?)

OHL tripped and unable to reset due to heat expansion

 

[hairyhandedfool]

Thanks that makes sense, I was working on the basis that 2H48 was a 319 which it obviously isn't as none of the Warrington diagrams have been converted (yet). I'm guessing it would be a 156 at present

From my observations it has been either a 150 or a 142.

 

[Loop & Link]

Booked a 150.

 

[DJH1971]

The 17:13 LIV - MIA service today was back to a 319

 

[Tim R-T-C]

Hi all, planning to go out and try and bag some of these units on Monday. Is there a good formal or informal diagram list in this thread - searched back a bit but can't find one?

Thanks

 

[jcc]

Hi all, planning to go out and try and bag some of these units on Monday. Is there a good formal or informal diagram list in this thread - searched back a bit but can't find one?

Thanks

https://railm.blob.core.windows.net/website/1/operations/m15-319-liv1.pdf No unit numbers or anything though.

 

[Tim R-T-C]

https://railm.blob.core.windows.net/website/1/operations/m15-319-liv1.pdf No unit numbers or anything though.

Many thanks.

 

[FQ]

The few diagrams that I saw yesterday are below.

1H46 10:16 LIV-MIA was 319365
2F37 09:02 MCV-LIV was 319382
2F21 10:02 MCV-LIV was an unidentified 319 (please can someone help with this?)
2F25 11:02 MCV-LIV was 319368
There was an unidentified 319 still in FCC livery in the little depot behind Stockport station if someone could help with that too?
2F27 12:51 WBQ-LIV was 150220
1F97 12:40 MIA-LIV was 319371
1H49 13:16 LIV-MIA was 319365
1H40 14:16 LIV-MIA was 319361

Thanks in advance for any help with the ones I missed!

 

[darloscott]

Booked a 150.

From my observations it has been either a 150 or a 142.

Thanks to both of you

I think I've got the 10 diagrams for the 319s worked out now. The only question I have is how many go back to Allerton on a night as it could be anywhere between 2 and 5...

 

[DJH1971]

From my observations it has been either a 150 or a 142.

Sometimes a 156 too

 

[507 001]

Is there any need for the amount and length of announcements from the PIS on the 319s?

It's 06:50 and I'm trying to get some sleep!

 

[Nevillehill]

The few diagrams that I saw yesterday are below.

1H46 10:16 LIV-MIA was 319365
2F37 09:02 MCV-LIV was 319382
2F21 10:02 MCV-LIV was an unidentified 319 (please can someone help with this?)
2F25 11:02 MCV-LIV was 319368
There was an unidentified 319 still in FCC livery in the little depot behind Stockport station if someone could help with that too?
2F27 12:51 WBQ-LIV was 150220
1F97 12:40 MIA-LIV was 319371
1H49 13:16 LIV-MIA was 319365
1H40 14:16 LIV-MIA was 319361

Thanks in advance for any help with the ones I missed!

319366 is the unit in FCC live at Stockport.

 

[childwallblues]

319366 is the unit in FCC live at Stockport.

319366 is at Preston. 319379 is at Stockport.

 

[507 001]

319 382 just arrived at vic P4.... Too long for the platform. Oops.

 

[LNW-GW Joint]

Is there any need for the amount and length of announcements from the PIS on the 319s?
It's 06:50 and I'm trying to get some sleep!

In a word, NO!
The full set of announcements is OK a couple of times per trip, but not at every one of 13 stops.
Particularly galling (having just announced "This is X") is the "If you are leaving the train here at X...".
Every station seems to have the "mind the step down to the platform", even the brand new or rebuilt ones, eg at Huyton, Roby and Bryn.
There have been a few glitches too, with stations being announced one out of step.
Like the automated VT announcements, which like to tell you "This is the Virgin train to..." twice on departure, it's just too much, too often.
Or ATW telling you to "Please put litter in the bins provided" at every second stop.
By contrast, Merseyrail has it just about right - destination, next stop, silence, with extra safety information as you enter the city tunnels.

 

[Xenophon PCDGS]

319 382 just arrived at vic P4.... Too long for the platform. Oops.

I am amazed to hear of what you say. Can someone with knowledge of the length of platform 4 at Manchester Victoria give the officially accepted platform length that currently exists.

 

[507 001]

I am amazed to hear of what you say. Can someone with knowledge of the length of platform 4 at Manchester Victoria give the officially accepted platform length that currently exists.

The problem was a 142+156 combo conveniently parked slap bang in the middle of the platform!

 

[northwichcat]

Delays of up to 60 minutes on Chat Moss due to a broken down train at present. Does anyone know the culprit?

 

[hairyhandedfool]

319361 stopped at Ordsall Lane, something to do with the brakes. 319365 sent to assist.

 

[Inox]

I am amazed to hear of what you say. Can someone with knowledge of the length of platform 4 at Manchester Victoria give the officially accepted platform length that currently exists.

224 metres

 

[northwichcat]

The problem was a 142+156 combo conveniently parked slap bang in the middle of the platform!

That sounds worse than the time a 323 failed at Piccadilly and two later services were still sent to their usual platform at the same time (the one the failed 323 was on), those being a Northern 142+150 and a TPE 6 car 170, with the rear 170 not on the platform despite having passengers on it.

 

[Tim R-T-C]

Saw the following today in a good few hours on all three routes - 361, 363, 365, 367, 369, 371, 380, 382 & 386

366 still in TL colours was this morning parked up just north of Preston by the old RES platform, not easily photographable.

 

[Loop & Link]

364 must still be at Allerton Depot after having power problems last week there's been a DMU vice EMU today and the latter half of last week.

 

[Geeves]

361 will be joining it with transformer issues. It was finally returned to Liverpool coupled to its sister at 19:02 after spending 7 hours sunbathing in the reverse siding!

 

[Xenophon PCDGS]

The problem was a 142+156 combo conveniently parked slap bang in the middle of the platform!

Would "somebody in authority" have been aware that a certain following train was soon due and had the 142+156 combination moved further along in order to accommodate the following train?

 

[WCMLaddict]

When pulling into Victoria we can be put into any platform and only know which one at the last gantry signal before the station. There are no stop boards and we know nothing about other trains, where when or what is coming in. If there is no platform staff on the arrival that show me where to stop or call me on to the end of platform I will stop in the middle to leave space for trains on both ends.
319 won't fit with anything else unless the other unit is at the end of platform. Platforms 3 and 4 can easily take three 15x and 142 mixed double units.

 

[8J]

Another 319 failed today. This time 369. What have they done to them?!?!

 

[DJH1971]

Another 319 failed today. This time 369. What have they done to them?!?!

Seems to becoming a regular occurrence lately.

 

[northwichcat]

Seems to becoming a regular occurrence lately.

Maybe they can't stand high humidity?

 

[507 001]

Maybe they can't stand high humidity?

Well, they'll hate Manchester then!