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Will this class 37 moving a 331 be the only move of a 331 for the next month? Or is more than one set to move to Neville Hill?
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Unlikely to be any more until the May 25 timetable change (besides this one on attempt two) when more 323s can come out . I believe it was the unit that didn't want to play ball Vs a 37 issue.
reecestrains
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Same problems as last year...
Knowing how finicky the CAF 195/331 Train management computer is I can understand why it wouldn't like being coupled to a 60 year old loco . I'm sure they will get it going tomorrow!
reecestrains
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I see nothing down for tomorrow at Allerton Depot on RTT.
superkev
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I did wonder last year that depite the cost I may be better and possibly cheaper in the longer term to get them cleared to run on electic power via Edinburgh and the ECML.
Prob a lot of paper shuffling needed but a least they could exchange electrics from east to West without the on-going problems of hauling them with a temp lashed up 37.
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reecestrains
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True, but until electrification is completed on the TPE route between Leeds and Manchester then there's no way for them to get across without them having to deal with route clearance.
childwallblues
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On paper they only need to be dragged between Carnforth and Skipton. All electric otherwise.
The issues there are that you're connecting and disconnecting an old loco from an unwilling unit on the mainline for that section when the sensible thing is to do it all in the depot where the fitters are unless you love CAF related chaos!
There are two loops at Carnforth that could be used, Skipton might require a shunt into the sidings
D6130
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Theoretically not....the loco could just uncouple on the Up Shipley approaching the station and then pull forward nto platform 2 or 3 - allowing the unit to pan-up and work forward.
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Ready to form the next service to Leeds!
reecestrains
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333007 is back up in Airedale now doing services around there.
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331010 still working in the north west. Looks like it won't be coming over until after the hols.
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Realtime Trains | 5Q17 1228 Allerton Depot to Neville Hill T&R.S.M.D | 02/01/2025
Real-time train running information for 5Q17 1228 departure from Allerton Depot to Neville Hill T&R.S.M.D on 02/01/2025. From Realtime Trains, an independent source of train running info for Great Britain.
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Class777
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Noticed this morning that the inbound loco from Derby has been cancelled which means the drag is no longer happening. Does anyone know the reason for the cancellation?Realtime Trains | 5Q17 1228 Allerton Depot to Neville Hill T&R.S.M.D | 02/01/2025
Real-time train running information for 5Q17 1228 departure from Allerton Depot to Neville Hill T&R.S.M.D on 02/01/2025. From Realtime Trains, an independent source of train running info for Great Britain.
Something seems to have happened regards to 323s on the Blackpool work if you see my post on the 323 "where are they now" thread. I'm going to assume the west side is currently unable to release the unit to the east. Even the morning Vic to Wigan via Golborne was a 150 today and that's entirely under the wires
reecestrains
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Yep, cancelled from Derby. It'll have probably been a problem with the loco then. I think 010 is still sitting in Allerton Depot as we speak.
I'd dread to think how it's all going to unfold once more of those 331 units are dragged over to Yorkshire following past problems.
pokemonsuper9
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There's usually 1 diagram of that they is very commonly 15x, and has been for months.
If any of them runs, as they are usually the first to be cancelled.
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December was a lighter introduction than originally planned.
331/1’s on 2 Hadfield/Glossop diagrams didn’t happen and are still booked 323’s.
No booked diagram on peak Wigan-Manchester and Liverpool - Man Vic either which are still 331/0.
331/1’s on 2 Hadfield/Glossop diagrams didn’t happen and are still booked 323’s.
No booked diagram on peak Wigan-Manchester and Liverpool - Man Vic either which are still 331/0.
Oh I know, but it seemed to have improved recently (when it's ran) it was generally electric this last few weeks or so.
TT-ONR-NRN
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Have 331/1s actually ever been on that route before?
SteveyBee131
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For those who are interested, 333005 was doing what looked like slow speed training up and down one of the sidings in Doncaster West Yard around noon today.
reecestrains
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From what I'm aware, I don't think so.
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Did the unit go down today or yesterday? It means they'll be down one unit until 331010 comes over, if that ever happens if the issues currently occuring.
SteveyBee131
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No idea, was just an observation whilst changing trains. On a Saturday only 12 out of the 16 class 333s are required in public service, so there's room to have 1 for training, indeed 1 is diagrammed specially for the purpose.
331s of both types have been on the Hadfield line a few times over the years. 4 cars only on test but I could be wrong. We surmised that it might be guards sighting issues on the very sharp platform at Dinting with 4 cars that's caused the issues.
3 cars have done passenger work but it's rare.
Here's 331009 taking a break at Glossop back in 2021. All credit to Oli Kirrage
3 cars have done passenger work but it's rare.
Here's 331009 taking a break at Glossop back in 2021. All credit to Oli Kirrage
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Halish Railway
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And I believe those few runs have only been done at the request of Network Rail for use of the pantograph recording equipment which the 331s lack. I’d imagine that the ex-Woodhead line requires more of such runs than other routes given the age of the electrification.
mcnw35282
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Are all of the 331/0's moving east?
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