Northern Class 331 East:West unit swap

[InkyScrolls]

When I passed through yesterday I’m certain they were also there at Menston and Guiseley!

They are, only Bingley is currently fully open.

 

[reecestrains]

Kirkstall Forge has still not been extended at all. They haven't even started it there yet.

 

[xotGD]

They are, only Bingley is currently fully open.

Trains heading towards Shipley are now stopping further down the platform.

We should have less faff next time Carlisle send down a 5-car combo on the first S&C service in the morning.

 

[Allwinter_Kit]

Kirkstall Forge has still not been extended at all. They haven't even started it there yet.

I'm still not sure what random lottery system they used to ascertain where SDO and full extensions would be used.

Idiotic question but how was it decided which platforms would be lengthened and which would be SDO'd? Was it just on peak time patronage or....?

EDIT: I was rattling down Airedale on a 3 car sprinter this morning and it made me repeat this thought. As an example from when I was staring out the window this morning and pondering this:

Steeton and Silsden - not being changed, so presumably SDO on the 2x3 car 331s
Keighley - long enough already
Crossflatts- presumably SDO? (Unless I've missed extension works there)
Bingley - being extended

So are the extensions only at the ones that are served by the semi-fasts? But they're also the trains that aren't being lengthened given they're diesel through to Bentham/Carlisle lines!

I just wondered. Apologies if off-topic.

I mean Kirkstall Forge's main calls being on the Bradford Forster Square services rather then the Skipton services (as I understand it) would mean that the extension there is only for a 1 train an hour? Surely SDO would be enough given it's still mainly just 1 office block, a car park and a footpath nearby (although I think the houses will be coming along shortly).

 

[skyhigh]

I'm still not sure what random lottery system they used to ascertain where SDO and full extensions would be used.


I mean Kirkstall Forge's main calls being on the Bradford Forster Square services rather then the Skipton services (as I understand it) would mean that the extension there is only for a 1 train an hour? Surely SDO would be enough given it's still mainly just 1 office block, a car park and a footpath nearby (although I think the houses will be coming along shortly).

They are extending Kirkstall Forge. It's just been delayed by 'negotiations' with a 'local landowner'.

 

[reecestrains]

I'm still not sure what random lottery system they used to ascertain where SDO and full extensions would be used.


I mean Kirkstall Forge's main calls being on the Bradford Forster Square services rather then the Skipton services (as I understand it) would mean that the extension there is only for a 1 train an hour? Surely SDO would be enough given it's still mainly just 1 office block, a car park and a footpath nearby (although I think the houses will be coming along shortly).

2 trains an hour going to Bradford F Sq, a few services a day going towards Skipton and none of Ilkley, Morecambe and Carlisle services call at Kirkstall Forge.

It's one an hour on Sunday's though for the Bradford F Sq services.

 

[JRT]

Kirkstall Forge has still not been extended at all. They haven't even started it there yet.

Do they really need an extension at Kirkstall Forge? The Leeds – Skipton train has only one peak call each way, plus the evening trains and none on Sundays?

 

[Allwinter_Kit]

Yeah, so two longer trains a day merit a platform extension, yet 2 longer trains an hour at other stations doesn't? I just wish I knew the logic!

 

[reecestrains]

Do they really need an extension at Kirkstall Forge? The Leeds – Skipton train has only one peak call each way, plus the evening trains and none on Sundays?

Well that was part of the plan in the first place. They've already extended Apperley Bridge.

 

[Adam0984]

Yesterday (sunday) they were digging the newly laid surface up on the Guiseley platform extensions both sides

 

[skyhigh]

Note that 331/0 diagrams for Mon-Fri from Dec tt change seem to indicate AN 21, NL 10. Currently there are AN 22, NL 9 allocations. Is there an imminent move in the offing for (presume) 331010 which is in use today on the west side??

No idea when the move will happen but there is a requirement for an additional 331/0 on the East for training purposes, so one will move across earlier than the rest. Don't know which unit it will be however.

 

[47434]

Or keeping quiet about the downgrade from 2+2 seating with tables and armrests to 3+2 seating.

My guess is passengers would prefer to be able to board the train rather than worry about a downgrade. Granted, less comfy for plenty including myself.

 

[xotGD]

Any news on this extra 331 heading to Yorkshire?

 

[3973EXL]

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[Adam0984]

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[reecestrains]

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Which unit is this? 331010 or a different one?

 

[Adam0984]

I'd imagine it'll be 010 considering we've got 001 to 009 in the east

 

[xotGD]

Thank you both for the gen.

I'll be in Leeds, so will try and stand next to the office window at the appropriate moment.

 

[Adam0984]

333007 going to Doncaster West Yard tonight so assuming driver training must be starting on Monday for Doncaster Crew

 

[reecestrains]

333007 going to Doncaster West Yard tonight so assuming driver training must be starting on Monday for Doncaster Crew

I presume it'll still be 331's through to May unless I'm wrong?

 

[Halish Railway]

I presume it'll still be 331's through to May unless I'm wrong?

There’s nothing preventing them from being introduced at an earlier date, rather than having a ‘big bang’ at the May timetable change.

 

[Adam0984]

Who knows you might see 333s sneaking onto the Doncaster line once enough drivers (and conductors) sign them as they'll be much easier to put on when you most people can crew them

 

[reecestrains]

Fair enough, I'll presume it'll be a mixture of 331 and 333 diagrams then.

 

[diligentdave]

0N36​

07:47​

Derby RTC​

Allerton TMD​

10:39​

37510​

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11:20​

Allerton TMD​

Neville HIll T&RSMD​

14:05​

37510​

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331010​

Northern​

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16:25​

Neville HIll T&RSMD​

Derby RTC​

18:19​

37510​

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Northern​

 

[Harvey B]

No idea when the move will happen but there is a requirement for an additional 331/0 on the East for training purposes, so one will move across earlier than the rest. Don't know which unit it will be however.

Does anyone know what the final number of 331s on the Leeds side will end up being?

 

[reecestrains]

333007 is still sat in Doncaster West Yard from what I'm aware.

 

[skyhigh]

333007 is still sat in Doncaster West Yard from what I'm aware.

It's there for training, so will probably be used for static training and ECS runs as required.

Due to the additional unit out of action the additional 331/0 is required - that is why the additional one is moving over early.

 

[reecestrains]

It's there for training, so will probably be used for static training and ECS runs as required.

Due to the additional unit out of action the additional 331/0 is required - that is why the additional one is moving over early.

Thank you for confirming. Let's hope 331010 gets over without issue.

I still remember last year they were having significant problems with 331107...

 

[3973EXL]

5Q17 dep Allerton 93 late

RR Edge Hill - just arrived back on Allerton 1458

 

[reecestrains]

I see it failed?