LNER 225 Shortening/Overnight Testing

[DanNCL]

There is an OHLE issue around Greensfield which has meant a trip via the bridges isn't possible.

Is there? As I’ve literally just seen an 802 there with pantograph raised which would suggest that the OHLE is useable

 

[Peregrine 4903]

Is there? As I’ve literally just seen an 802 there with pantograph raised which would suggest that the OHLE is useable

OHLE issues are only on the curve between King Edward Bridge East Junction and King Edward Bridge North Junction. Block to all electric traffic on that section.

 

[Robski]

On weekdays from December, the 14:33 Kings Cross to Newcastle and 18:27 return is pathed as a shortened 225 - however it is currently in the system as an unadvertised express so it may be removed.

 

[FrontSideBus]

How short was the one that did 160mph?

 

[hexagon789]

How short was the one that did 160mph?

Loco + 5 Mk4 + DVT, approximately 252 tonnes trailing load.

 

[ArkRoyal]

I have it on good authority that the Mk4 sets are being shortened to 2+7 for the Dec 25 TT along with one service a day to Newcastle being formed of a 2+7 Mk4.

Overnight testing of 2+7 Mk4s commences “soon” so keep an eye out for overnight 5Zxx paths along the ECML originating from Neville Hill

Looks like the Newcastle service will be 1N09 SX 14:33 KGX - NCL 17:33 / 1Y20 SX 18:27 NCL - KGX 21:28.

 

[D1537]

On weekdays from December, the 14:33 Kings Cross to Newcastle and 18:27 return is pathed as a shortened 225 - however it is currently in the system as an unadvertised express so it may be removed.

LNER aren't going to remove one of an hourly service, especially when it's the only ECML service that feeds places like Northallerton and Grantham and it's in the evening peak at the north end.

 

[aar0]

I wonder how quick a 9 coach 225 would be with a Class 91 at either end!

I’ve wondered that. And a bit of redundancy should one fail.

 

[littledude]

I’ve wondered that. And a bit of redundancy should one fail.

Completely infeasible for a while multitude of reasons

 

[MrJeeves]

LNER aren't going to remove one of an hourly service, especially when it's the only ECML service that feeds places like Northallerton and Grantham and it's in the evening peak at the north end.

No, but they might repath it as an Azuma, which would potentially alter some of the timings. Easier to hide it from their extended booking horizon until they know it's going to run as currently inputted.

 

[aar0]

Completely infeasible for a while multitude of reasons

I’m sure. But if the computer model would accept doubling the locos power… how quick off the line would it be?!

 

[D1537]

No, but they might repath it as an Azuma, which would potentially alter some of the timings. Easier to hide it from their extended booking horizon until they know it's going to run as currently inputted.

Timings appear to be same for all the stoppers, though. I wonder if they're hiding it because the seating plan is different - tickets will go on sale for December fairly shortly.

 

[DarloRich]

On weekdays from December, the 14:33 Kings Cross to Newcastle and 18:27 return is pathed as a shortened 225 - however it is currently in the system as an unadvertised express so it may be removed.

I have been watching this thread with interest so this seems like tentative good news - a nice way to get to the parental home on a Friday. Shame not a Saturday service as that would be very helpful for getting home from the match

I’m sure. But if the computer model would accept doubling the locos power… how quick off the line would it be?!

speaking hypothetically I would suggest:

Like excreta off a digging implement!

 

[43 302]

I have been watching this thread with interest so this seems like tentative good news - a nice way to get to the parental home on a Friday. Shame not a Saturday service as that would be very helpful for getting home from the match


speaking hypothetically I would suggest:

Like excreta off a digging implement!

As I have mentioned up thread, the planned weekend working was the 12.33 & 16.27 return.

 

[Peter0124]

Wait so are 225 sets returning to Newcastle again?

 

[hexagon789]

Wait so are 225 sets returning to Newcastle again?

Some say - 'yes'
Some say - 'no'
What'll happen?
Nobody know(s).

 

[XCTurbostar]

Since diagrams appear to have been planned for December, I assume the 7-car set tests were a success in keeping up with 80x?

 

[43 302]

Since diagrams appear to have been planned for December, I assume the 7-car set tests were a success in keeping up with 80x?

That is not what the tests were for... they were for platform PRM compliance testing.

 

[800001]

That is not what the tests were for... they were for platform PRM compliance testing.

There was over night testing as seven car sets several weeks ago. I assume they are referring to that.

 

[43 302]

There was over night testing as seven car sets several weeks ago. I assume they are referring to that.

Which is exactly what I am referring to. Same with the tests this Friday. When I passed NL this morning a 225-7 was being formed up.

 

[CDM Transport]

That is not what the tests were for... they were for platform PRM compliance testing.

7 car testing at York.

 

[43 302]

You would think they've never been there before...

 

[800001]

You would think they've never been there before...

But the stopping places of the accessible coaches will now be in different place on each train, hence why validation will be required.

 

[Peter0124]

How come they reformed them to 7 cars instead of 9?

 

[hexagon789]

How come they reformed them to 7 cars instead of 9?

Performance. The new December timetable is based on Azuma performance, the current one is in part still based on HST+9 performance.

With 82 tonnes tare weight removed, the power to weight ratio is more like an Azuma, so they should accelerate more similarly and thus achieve similar Sectional Running Times under the newly accelerated timings.

(I understand they still have separate timings in the new timetable, but the differences are less noticeable than if you compared them currently removing the various allowances. )

 

[DanNCL]

91127 had the honours. Photos attached from Durham.

 

[trainswitheddy]

91127 had the honours. Photos attached from Durham.

Gorgeous machines

 

[mvm03]

91127 had the honours. Photos attached from Durham.

Nice pics

 

[Class91Joe]

Diagrams confirmed w/c 14th December

Mondays - Fridays		Saturdays		Sundays
5A02 0429 NL-LDS 0439		3A11 0640 NL- BDQ 0727		5A12 0802 NL-LDS 0813
1A02 0500 LDS-KGX 0730		1A11 0737 BDQ-KGX 1021		1A12 0840 LDS-KGX 1054
1D06 0810 KGX-LDS 1022		3N07 1050 KGX-KGX 1211		1D13 1136 KGX-BDQ 1421
1A18 1140 LDS-KGX 1354		1N07 1233 KGX-NCL 1535		1A27 1534 BDQ-KGX 1828
1N09 1433 KGX-NCL 1733		5Y18 1544 NCL-NCL 1608		1D28 1910 KGX-LDS 2122
1Y20 1827 NCL-KGX 2128		1Y18 1627 NCL-KGX 1931		5D28 2133 LDS-NL 2143
1N35 2308 KGX-YRK 0150		1N15 2033 KGX-YRK 2230
1Y01 0440 YRK-KGX 0700		1Y01 0440 YRK-KGX 0700		1Y03 0758 YRK-KGX 0958
1D05 0739 KGX-BDQ 1021		1D05 0739 KGX-BDQ 1021		1D12 1110 KGX-LDS 1322
1A19 1137 BDQ-KGX 1423		1A19 1137 BDQ-KGX 1423		1A24 1410 LDS-KGX 1654
1D20 1510 KGX-LDS 1721		1D20 1510 KGX-LDS 1721		1D25 1737 KGX-BDQ 2021
1A32 1840 LDS -KGX 2053		1A32 1840 LDS -KGX 2052		5D25 2034 BDQ-NL 2121
1D34 2140 KGX-LDS 0004		1D33 2140 KGX-LDS 0005
5D34 0024 LDS-NL 0034		5D33 0025 LDS-NL 0034
5A05 0535 NL-LDS 0545		5A05 0535 NL-LDS 0545		5A14 0857 NL-LDS 0909
1A05 0605 LDS -KGX 0830		1A05 0605 LDS-KGX 0830		1A14 0940 LDS-KGX 1155
1D08 0910 KGX-LDS 1121		1D08 0910 KGX-LDS 1121		1N07 1233 KGX-NCL 1536
1A20 1240 LDS-KGX 1453		1A20 1240 LDS-KGX 1453		5Y18 1545 NCL-NCL 1612
1D21 1540 KGX-BDQ 1821		1D21 1540 KGX-BDQ 1821		1Y18 1627 NCL-KGX 1933
5D21 1924 BDQ-NL 2018		5D21 1924 BDQ- NL 2018		1D30 2009 KGX-LDS 2222
				5D30 2235 LDS-NL 2245
3A10 0523 NL-SKI 0629		3A10 0459 NL-SKI 0608		5A16 1003 NL-LDS 1020
1A10 0656 SKI-KGX 0959		1A10 0656 SKI-KGX 0959		1A16 1040 LDS-KGX 1253
1D12 1110 KGX-LDS 1321		1D12 1110 KGX-LDS 1321		1D17 1336 KGX-BDQ 1621
1A24 1440 LDS-KGX 1653		1A24 1440 LDS-KGX 1653		1A31 1735 BDQ-KGX 2025
1D25 1739 KGX-BDQ 2024		1D25 1739 KGX-BDQ 2024		1N16 2133 KGX-YRK 2341
5D25 2102 BDQ-NL 2209		5D25 2102 BDQ-NL 2209

 

[duffield]

This may have been mentioned but if so I can't find it after trawling the thread - which 1st coach is being removed? I'm guessing it's the one next to the DVT (coach M) since the other two have the accessible toilet (L) and the crew area (K) respectively?