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LNER 225 Shortening/Overnight Testing
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14:30 off London Kings Cross.
I can't find the website that had the 2025 timetables during the consolation. Anyone know the link for it please? Wondering what the stops and return working will be too.
The Foghorn
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No, the 91s have always been geared for 160 mph max. Regearing might have been considered many years ago during their HGR at Doncaster, but in those days the East Coast was almost solid 91s and HSTs which shared similar acceleration profiles. They won't spend that kind of money this late in their careers.
hexagon789
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1430 is an Edinburgh fast, so that can't be right?
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Should be within this thread, but you may need to run some through the Wayback Machine to actually view the timetables:
https://www.railforums.co.uk/thread...ay-2022-east-coast-mainline-timetable.218555/
Page 3 of this doc https://onedrive.live.com/?redeem=aHR0cHM6Ly8xZHJ2Lm1zL2YvcyFBdGJiYmM4Yi1NT2hsTUlGZ3hUd3Nka2xtb2lialE&cid=A1C3F81BCF6DDBD6&sb=name&sd=1&id=A1C3F81BCF6DDBD6!336135&parId=A1C3F81BCF6DDBD6!336134&o=OneUp
Seems to concur that 14:30 is still an Edinburgh fast in the Dec 2025 timetable. Maybe it'll change idk
EDIT: Not page 3, document 3 out of the 59 in the folder. Page 13.
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DanNCL
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1433 would be the Newcastle stopper. Calls at Stevenage, Grantham, York, Northallerton, Darlington, Durham and Newcastle unless it’s changed since the consultation.
hexagon789
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Thank you for that link.
I don't think it could change, as the Newcastle semi-fast has to run in the "wake" of the Edinburgh fast and I think the idea is an even half-hourly semi-fast service to Newcastle, albeit with one extending to Edinburgh (the XX:03)
Ah yes, thanks - 2 columns over so don't know how I missed it lol
1N09
London Kings Cross 14:33
Stevenage 14:55
Grantham 15:39
York arr 16:26 dep 16:30
Northallerton 16:49
Darlington arr 17:01 dep 17:02
Durham 17:20
Newcastle arr 17:36
Looks like it probably forms 1Y20 back
Newcastle 18:27
Durham 18:39
Darlington arr 18:57 dep 18:58
Northallerton 19:09
York arr 19:29 dep 19:31
Grantham 20:20
Stevenage 21:06
London Kings Cross 21:31
Source - Page 13 - https://onedrive.live.com/?redeem=a...!336135&parId=A1C3F81BCF6DDBD6!336134&o=OneUp
D1537
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1N09 / 1Y20 runs 7 days a week in the same timings.
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Won't give you a lot. You would be better improving speeds lower down the range. Improve your minimum speeds rather than your maximum speeds.
The Foghorn
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I have had a 91 on load 7 before and I must admit the acceleration was fairly astonishing. This was mainly due to it being load 7 Mk 3s with a screaming valenta at the other end! The hybrid formations were booked load 9, but one set had had a couple of demic vehicles removed.
trainswitheddy
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Anyone have any idea when the change is meant to take place? Will services go straight to 7 car come December or will sets be gradually reduced between now and then?
Iskra
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Just spotted this Class 91 (91105) in a new railway 200 livery being hauled by 37501 through Crofton, heading to the National Railway Museum at York. The locomotive has been renumbered 91150.
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Does this mean the class 91’s are no longer doing a Newcastle run? Or just a different timing to what was first said?
No longer going to Newcastle. It will be an 800-9 instead.
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91105 has not been reregistered in TOPS. Just like 37424 "Avro Vulcan XH558" was not actually reregistered as 37558.
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D1537
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If it is indeed the case that the whole timetable is written to Azuma performance, then yes.
Yes. The shortening is to improve their SRT/performance.
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The shortened Mk4 sets are timed as such, not as 80x-E. 225-7 or E/330 or 91/330 depending on who you ask.
TSGN Spotter
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Does this mean no 225s all week or just at the weekend? Also what is the source of this?
Tell me why you think they should be used on Newcastle trains in the first place, as opposed to being restricted to Leeds & York trains.
Because I want to have a trip to Newcastle and they are a lot more comfortable to travel in than an Azuma.
The Middle
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My understanding is that this is inaccurate and there is still one 225 diagram per day going to Newcastle.
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