JohnCarlson
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I'd have proposed the Tees Valley station for the present site of Tees Valley airport. With the Tees Valley Bishop Auckland-Saltburn line electrified it'd be about 12 minutes out of Middlesbrough & 6 minutes out of Darlington, so probably quicker either way, but then again, HS2 will allow both Darlington & Middlesbrough to get a much better ICEC service.
As for York, no. Firstly, because it's massively out of the way, adding at least 15 miles to the line, and all the costs with it. Secondly because it actually doesn't have that much 'clout'. York is probably the UK's most glorified commuter town, certainly up there with Bath. Both great tourist destinations, but most of the people who live there are commuters, which is why every train into Leeds during the day is so rammed. Besides, like Darlington, York will still have a very good direct ICEC service to London, and given the TPE electrification will allow journeys into Leeds in about 20 minutes (express) or 35 minutes (stopper), I think the number changing for a southbound service might actually be pretty good, especially if the 'South Orbital Connection' Amersham-Heathrow-Ashford line I proposed gets built.
Oh, and the line definitely should serve Sheffield, because of the huge regional benefits of doing Leeds-Sheffield in 20 minutes, rather than 45.
Forgive me but I find it funny that you refer to York as a glorified commuter town while suggesting building an HS2 station at Durham Tees Valley Airport. While I hope it survives its passenger numbers have been falling drastically and while things are reported to have improved slightly the situation still dire.
I can understand the idea of high speed bypass of Darlington if a high speed line North of the Leeds area ever gets built. However it would make much better sense to use the existing station for the stopping HS2 services.
Hers why. All of the trains your talking about stopping at a Darlington Parkway already stop at Darlington. Yet just about every existing ECML train would have to be diverted out of Darlington into this new station to give connectivity to places like Durham and Thirsk . The problem is then what do you do with the existing Darlington station? Its Graded II star and already underused for the size so its not like an cost savings could be made in closing it down.
It might be that classic ECML services still call there but then your deliberately getting into the awkward territory of having trains going to the same place stopping at only one of two completely separate stations in the same town which is hardly a positive move. Much better to have everything in the one place. An probably cheaper too.
If ever a classing station was ready for HS services its Darlington. Its fairly central and has space for car parking. More importantly its platforms are massive with plenty of room for more and extensions to the existing ones.
Yes York is close to Leeds but Leeds is also close to York. As mentioned where exactly a Leeds HS2 station would go is a toughie to call because the existing station is already full, set to get fuller and has little room to spread out. How close a high speed line could actually get to Leeds without having to drop to classic speed is something I would like to know. Google Earth suggests not very without massive demolition.
Here's a thought, why not bring HS2 on the ECML just south of Doncaster upgrade the Selby diversion to four tracks at 220 mph and then you can run straight into York and build the HS2 station in the freight bypass yard where their is plenty of space.
This would also give Doncaster an Hull access to HS2