GWR to use Euston

[The Planner]

It wouldn't surprise me if additional boarding controls were put in place at Euston as well, with customers not holding seat reservations being last to board and in limited numbers.

They will be in 1 and 2 I think to keep them out of the way and minimise confusion. There was talk of letting GWR passengers exit out the side exit.

 

[Snow1964]

It wouldn't surprise me if additional boarding controls were put in place at Euston as well, with customers not holding seat reservations being last to board and in limited numbers.

GWR Engineering work page is now updated and for Sunday 17 November says

In addition, some GWR trains will run between:

• London Euston and Swansea/Carmarthen
• London Euston and Plymouth/Penzance
• Please note these diverted services will not stop at Reading to pick-up or drop-off and you will also require a seat reservation for these trains

So on face of it, no reservation, no travel via Euston

Planned Engineering Work and Disruption | Great Western Railway

Find out about planned engineering works, travel disruption and changes to Great Western Railway's published train timetables here.

www.gwr.com

EDIT just checked and it is happy to offer a super off peak return for this from my local station, change at Westbury 11:16 and 19:33 from Euston, so doesn't appear to be limited to expensive tickets

 

[Horizon22]

If anything Reading will be canned.
It would be insane to stop at Reading. The current frequency has trains busy enough. With every journey planner recommending going to Euston from Reading as it will be faster you’ll end up with severe overcrowding.

I see the trains have already been given compulsory reservation flags so they’re clearly quite worried about overcrowding.

Well you are mostly correct & Reading isn't even a stop.

 

[dmncf]

There's actually some well-priced Advance fares on the Sunday 17 November trains, both standard and first class.

 

[Vexed]

There's actually some well-priced Advance fares on the Sunday 17 November trains, both standard and first class.

Yep, I've booked a return for £50 with a railcard, standard out them first class back to London.

 

[Benjwri]

Well you are mostly correct & Reading isn't even a stop.

Ah so they did can it. The original paths had it as a stop.

 

[louis97]

Ah so they did can it. The original paths had it as a stop.

They still do have a stop, it isn't an advertised one however, same as its always been since the paths were published.

 

[Benjwri]

They still do have a stop, it isn't an advertised one however, same as its always been since the paths were published.

Right when they were originally added on RTT they were advertised.

 

[louis97]

Right when they were originally added on RTT they were advertised.

No when they were published, at the end of July, 99% of the stops at Reading were unadvertised. The only stuff advertised to/from Euston at Reading was the trains starting/terminating there, plus the sleeper set down/pick up only. You can look on the Timetable History website to see this - http://timetablehistory.com/

 

[kevin_roche]

A write-up by Ian Visits here

Later this year, and for the next few years, HS2’s construction of a huge new station at Old Oak Common will require them to close the Great Western Mainline on occasions to prepare to move the railway from running past the new station to run through it.


In the past, when the railway into Paddington had to close, most intercity services would stop at Reading. However, with more closures planned, GWR wanted to find a way of bringing passengers into one of the other London termini, and Euston looked like a suitable alternative.


To see if it would work, last week, a nearly empty Hitachi Class 802 train departed Reading carrying a handful of observers and engineers to see if they could run the train into Euston station via a diversion around north London.

 

[Snow1964]

I (independent) newspaper is reporting that HS2 is paying over £300m compensation for disruption at Old Oak Common, and could be as high as £800m after adjusting for inflation.

GWR must be raking it in, just running token service to Euston with hundreds of millions funding it.

I realise a few other things will be sorted with the funds eg lengthening stabling sidings at Penzance, to provide alternative stabling, but seems to me as it stands they are getting a few million per train that is extended to Euston, (or roughly about 100 times the fares from passengers on each train going to Euston)

HS2 is facing a fresh bill of more than £300m in compensation for the disruption caused to other train services during its construction, i can reveal.

Passengers will face closures on the Great Western Railway line into London each Christmas until 2030 due to work being carried out on the new superhub at Old Oak Common in the west of the capital, it emerged this week.

The most significant disruption will hit Paddington with no trains running in or out of the station on several dates in November and December, with some GWR services diverted to London Euston instead.

Until now, HS2 building work has had little knock-on effect on the existing rail network because the focus has been on construction of the new line between London and Birmingham.

But the next phase of works at Old Oak Common in west London will see disruption that extends from west London into South West England and Wales.

Train companies are entitled to compensation via two regimes administrated by Network Rail – “Schedule 4” for planned disruption and “Schedule 8” for unplanned disruption.

An HS2 report from 2012 obtained by i estimated that costs for “possession management, compensation for operational disruption” would be £190m (£317m adjusted for inflation) for Phase One.

HS2 to pay £300m in compensation to train firms - and it won't go to customers

Work on the High Speed rail project will cause a number of closures this Christmas lasting for another six years

inews.co.uk

 

[Horizon22]

I (independent) newspaper is reporting that HS2 is paying over £300m compensation for disruption at Old Oak Common, and could be as high as £800m after adjusting for inflation.

GWR must be raking it in, just running token service to Euston with hundreds of millions funding it.

I realise a few other things will be sorted with the funds eg lengthening stabling sidings at Penzance, to provide alternative stabling, but seems to me as it stands they are getting a few million per train that is extended to Euston, (or roughly about 100 times the fares from passengers on each train going to Euston)

HS2 to pay £300m in compensation to train firms - and it won't go to customers

Work on the High Speed rail project will cause a number of closures this Christmas lasting for another six years

inews.co.uk

Your figure of £800m is incorrect as it’s already adjusted for inflation (from £190m).

You are also completely disregarding the impact this will have on the Elizabeth line who have no access to their maintenance depot at Old Oak Common and have severed the GWML <> CCOS link.

 

[-Colly405-]

CCOS?

 

[swt_passenger]

CCOS?

CCOS = Crossrail Central Operating Section, ie the TFL owned infrastructure.

 

[-Colly405-]

CCOS = Crossrail Central Operating Section, ie the TFL owned infrastructure.

Ah, of course. Thanks!!!

 

[Snow1964]

CCOS = Crossrail Central Operating Section, ie the TFL owned infrastructure.

Why CCOS and not ECOS ?

 

[swt_passenger]

Why CCOS and not ECOS ?

I expect because Crossrail is by far the majority usage in the GW sectional appendix. It’s as though the authors generally use Crossrail for the physical route, and EL for the service.

 

[Snow1964]

I expect because Crossrail is by far the majority usage in the GW sectional appendix. It’s as though the authors generally use Crossrail for the physical route, and EL for the service.

Thanks, but I thought the O was operating, which is more providing the service than the infrastructure.

 

[The Planner]

I (independent) newspaper is reporting that HS2 is paying over £300m compensation for disruption at Old Oak Common, and could be as high as £800m after adjusting for inflation.

GWR must be raking it in, just running token service to Euston with hundreds of millions funding it.

I realise a few other things will be sorted with the funds eg lengthening stabling sidings at Penzance, to provide alternative stabling, but seems to me as it stands they are getting a few million per train that is extended to Euston, (or roughly about 100 times the fares from passengers on each train going to Euston)

HS2 to pay £300m in compensation to train firms - and it won't go to customers

Work on the High Speed rail project will cause a number of closures this Christmas lasting for another six years

inews.co.uk

That is just the Schedule 4 compensation over the length of the project, any disruption to the railway that causes a timetable change means NR pay out. It happens every week. In this case as its HS2 causing the issues, they pay. HS2 will pay and have paid out to Avanti, LNWR and so on. Its effectively a story that says "compensation that is mandated is being paid" not some massive scoop.

 

[Benjwri]

Is that figure including the electrification of Poplars, which is so Elizabeth Line trains can access the West when blockades happen? That will add a significant amount to the figure.

 

[Horizon22]

Why CCOS and not ECOS ?

The infrastruture naming came long before the Elizabeth line was named.

 

[norbitonflyer]

It wouldn't surprise me if additional boarding controls were put in place at Euston as well, with customers not holding seat reservations being last to board and in limited numbers.

Harder to control in the other direction though - presumably anyone with a non-advance ticket for London will be able to board an up service at Swindon (or further west?)

 

[The Planner]

Is that figure including the electrification of Poplars, which is so Elizabeth Line trains can access the West when blockades happen? That will add a significant amount to the figure.

Its compensation for blockades, the wires are a seperate thing.

 

[Deepgreen]

I (independent) newspaper is reporting that HS2 is paying over £300m compensation for disruption at Old Oak Common, and could be as high as £800m after adjusting for inflation.

GWR must be raking it in, just running token service to Euston with hundreds of millions funding it.

I realise a few other things will be sorted with the funds eg lengthening stabling sidings at Penzance, to provide alternative stabling, but seems to me as it stands they are getting a few million per train that is extended to Euston, (or roughly about 100 times the fares from passengers on each train going to Euston)

HS2 to pay £300m in compensation to train firms - and it won't go to customers

Work on the High Speed rail project will cause a number of closures this Christmas lasting for another six years

inews.co.uk

Wow - that is some inflation...!

 

[Benjwri]

Its compensation for blockades, the wires are a seperate thing.

Fair enough, there have been rumours it was part of the compensation.

 

[MasterPhillips]

How can it make sense for London Euston to Swansea/Plymouth services not to at least stop at Reading to pick up passengers only. Reading will be without almost any services to South Wales and a very limited services to the South West most of which are the slower services.

I understand why not when going towards London but not in the other direction.

 

[Tim456]

How can it make sense for London Euston to Swansea/Plymouth services not to at least stop at Reading to pick up passengers only. Reading will be without almost any services to South Wales and a very limited services to the South West most of which are the slower services.

I understand why not when going towards London but not in the other direction.

Because you can guarantee that it will be abused by those wishing to travel between London and Reading only like current pick up only at Reading that originate at Paddington are.

 

[Benjwri]

Because you can guarantee that it will be abused by those wishing to travel between London and Reading only like current pick up only at Reading that originate at Paddington are.

the old Reading pick up only trains in the peaks demonstrated this perfectly.

How can it make sense for London Euston to Swansea/Plymouth services not to at least stop at Reading to pick up passengers only. Reading will be without almost any services to South Wales and a very limited services to the South West most of which are the slower services.

I understand why not when going towards London but not in the other direction.

The trains are expected to be pretty much full and standing off Euston, there will be no space for passengers from Reading regardless.

 

[MasterPhillips]

the old Reading pick up only trains in the peaks demonstrated this perfectly.

That’s because commuters became savvy to that. Its unlikely many people will be able to work it out given these closures are a rare occurrence.

The trains are expected to be pretty much full and standing off Euston, there will be no space for passengers from Reading regardless.

Trains to Penzance/Plymouth are pretty much hourly from Paddington on weekends so why would an hourly service from Euston be any more busy compared to those from Paddington?

 

[irish_rail]

Trains to Penzance/Plymouth are pretty much hourly from Paddington on weekends so why would an hourly service from Euston be any more busy compared to those from Paddington?

Travel on a weekend on the Padd to Penzance route and youll see why! The trains are rather well used as it is, without having enthusiasts / people trying to get to areas around Bristol that won't be served but can be accessed by changing at Taunton etc etc. It's going to be utter carnage. I only hope the HS2 station at OOC will be worth it for GWR passengers.....