150249
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Good point. I hope they go up through the playoffs. Historically massive team like them deserves to be in the efl.
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Cheshire Scot
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More of the same tomorrow please!
While hard up Rochdale and Hartlepool head the other way, with Pools staying up in League 2 for only two seasons, and Rochdale for just one.
Not true. The original sugar daddies were English. e.g. John Houlding (who founded the original 'sugar daddy club').
Houlding wasn't a sugar daddy, he was a rapacious and increasingly unpopular businessman who loaned Everton money and worsened the terms for his own benefit, and tried to make the club buy his land at a jacked up price! He then founded Liverpool simply to fill the void, which was operated as a going concern for profit, not as a millionaire's plaything. He was an investor and a speculator, not a sugar daddy.
Xenophon PCDGS
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Now there are three football league clubs with very long histories in the Greater Manchester area who will start next season outside of the top EFL, Bury, Oldham Athletic and Rochdale.
61653 HTAFC
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Though Stockport County have clawed their way back, after falling to the sixth tier a few years ago. Doesn't seem that long ago they were well established in the third tier with the occasional foray into the second.
Xenophon PCDGS
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It was only recently that Bury's record 6-0 FA Cup Final win was equalled by Manchester City and Oldham Athletic were one of the original members of the Premier League
Cheshire Scot
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And a glance at the bottom of the National league shows four former FL clubs Torquay, Yeovil, Scunthorpe and Maidstone dropping to the next level.
Stockport's achievement last year - and they were battling it out with Wrexham for the automatic promotion spot - did not attract the National News and wider media frenzy of Wrexham's pending and actual promotion this year. A media obsessed with Holywood!
Whilst Wrexham are by no means the first club who could be said to have bought a level of success - nor will they be the last - we can perhaps speculate whether in time they will match the 1975/76 achievement of reaching the quarter final stage of European competition - a 2-1 aggregate defeat by Anderlecht - albeit in future representing England rather than Wales!
I wasn't sure if your problem was 'rich men pumping money into English football' or the fact that Wrexham's owners are foreign.
Either way it is confusing, as your club is (1) owned by overseas interests and (2) was established by a rich man.
Liverpool FC don't seem to be ashamed of this part of their history.
John Houlding tribute officially unveiled at Anfield
A bronze sculpture of Liverpool Football Club founder John Houlding was officially unveiled at Anfield today.
www.liverpoolfc.com
And nor should they be. But maybe their fans should be aware they live in a glass house before they throw stones at other clubs.
I was talking about the sugar daddy fantasy where clubs are run at a serious loss for the personal satisfaction of the super fan owner, which disadvantages clubs run in a sustainable manner and spoils competition. As I pointed out it’s hardly a “miracle” Wrexham have earned promotion back to the heady heights of English football’s fourth tier with the preposterously large budget they have for their level. It was entirely to be expected. That’s not begrudging their success, which might fairly be described as a fairytale, where a wealthy prince marries the farmhand. I said I was happy for them and their fans, whom I like and respect.
Most Liverpool fans don’t know much about Houlding but I am certainly aware of the history. And he wasn’t a sugar daddy. That’s a completely incorrect reading of the history as I’ve pointed out. He was an amoral and disinterested brewery owner and speculator who treated football clubs as a business and a cynical route to market his drinks. More like a Mike Ashley character.Liverpool FC don't seem to be ashamed of this part of their history.
John Houlding tribute officially unveiled at Anfield
A bronze sculpture of Liverpool Football Club founder John Houlding was officially unveiled at Anfield today.
And nor should they be. But maybe their fans should be aware they live in a glass house before they throw stones at other clubs.
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Spurs bring the new term “rapid unscheduled disassembly” to the football ground… 
150249
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Let's not speak about spurs, yeah?
Xenophon PCDGS
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Indeed so. Their defence has already spoken more than words can say.
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I sincerely hope second placed Notts County with 106 pts and counting take their rightful place in the fourth division next season. It would be a travesty if they didn't.
Likewise in NLN, whoever loses out in the Kings Lynn v AFC Fylde championship battle will feel very hard done by if they don't go up. It seems absurd that with one week to go, Darlington in 13th place, in the bottom half of the table, and 25 pts behind Fylde could still make the play-offs (sorry DarloRich).
You may say that those are the rules, but they are bloody stupid rules.
Likewise in NLN, whoever loses out in the Kings Lynn v AFC Fylde championship battle will feel very hard done by if they don't go up. It seems absurd that with one week to go, Darlington in 13th place, in the bottom half of the table, and 25 pts behind Fylde could still make the play-offs (sorry DarloRich).
You may say that those are the rules, but they are bloody stupid rules.
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An FA Cup Manchester derby. Hope there'll be extra Avanti on that day!
150249
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I was hoping Brighton would win. Both teams defended well and attacked horribly.
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Sounds like a cheap sparkling wine.
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Unfortunate side effect of the narrowing of the pyramid. More than two up from each of NLN and NLS would be crazy, and the playoffs won’t be going away anytime soon
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Xenophon PCDGS
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I see that Tottenham have now introduced a system of short-term managerial contracts.
D821
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They can't be far off giving them zero-hour contracts!
dangie
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Well seeing Spurs have six games left to play and Stellini was sacked after only four, the end of the season is maybe stretching it a bit
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Well seeing Spurs have six games left to play and Stellini was sacked after only four, the end of the season is maybe stretching it a bit
Their season ended yesterday according to their fans
REVUpminster
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I guess you mean the owner/s should sack Levy.