Class 456's on the move?

[WarrenTManager]

Reported elsewhere that 456022 went on Friday so should have been 456013 tonight, or have they gone the other way round? There's certainly been two moves.

I was in the depot and it was 6022

 

[Juniper Driver]

I was in the depot and it was 6022

They are good and work well with 455's, but I understand HD's frustration at working on them over the Guildford - Ascot.

 

[HarleyDavidson]

All the green one's are gone. It's just a shame that they keep sending the darn things back to us, albeit with a different paint scheme and seating.

 

[Juniper Driver]

All the green one's are gone. It's just a shame that they keep sending the darn things back to us, albeit with a different paint scheme and seating.

I keep hearing that they are coming off the Guildford - Ascot route anyway.

 

[HarleyDavidson]

Sooner the better. The Ascot road is a bit like the insect spray "Raid", it keeps on killing them, usually one set a day succumbs to it one way or another.

Still using the over there proves that the stock folk are one card short of a full deck.

 

[swt_passenger]

I keep hearing that they are coming off the Guildford - Ascot route anyway.

Presumably that happens around the time all the 458/5s are in normal service, to release the 450s?

So this December, :roll: or then again maybe some time next year?

 

[HarleyDavidson]

The sooner they go the better, they're a menace.

 

[JB25]

What's wrong with them?

 

[HarleyDavidson]

What's wrong with them?

How long have you got?

1. Underpowered.

2. Completely unsuitable for the route.

3. Speed restrictions compared to 450's.

4. Unreliable. See how many trains which have a 456 in their consist get cancelled.

5. The traction system is obsolete and causes low power &/or loss of traction issues.

6. They don't allow guards through to do commercial duties, so scroats are given free reign to do as they please.

7. No toilets for passengers or staff to use.

8. They should be kept where they belong... In London.

 

[Juniper Driver]

Presumably that happens around the time all the 458/5s are in normal service, to release the 450s?

So this December, :roll: or then again maybe some time next year?

Probably Dec 2016 the way it's going.

 

[swt_passenger]

Probably Dec 2016 the way it's going.

Ah yes, delete 'some time', insert 'same time' next year...

 

[SpacePhoenix]

How long have you got?

1. Underpowered.

2. Completely unsuitable for the route.

3. Speed restrictions compared to 450's.

4. Unreliable. See how many trains which have a 456 in their consist get cancelled.

5. The traction system is obsolete and causes low power &/or loss of traction issues.

6. They don't allow guards through to do commercial duties, so scroats are given free reign to do as they please.

7. No toilets for passengers or staff to use.

8. They should be kept where they belong... In London.

Are they always being used in formation with 2 455s? If they are I can long term see an extra order of 707s being made

 

[swt_passenger]

Are they always being used in formation with 2 455s? If they are I can long term see an extra order of 707s being made

No, the number of 10 car formations is still relatively small. They operate in pairs on Guildford to Ascot via Aldershot, and elsewhere often as part of 8 car sets with another 456 and a 455. (4+2+2 in other words.)

Regular 10 car operation awaits Waterloo platform lengthening.

 

[Juniper Driver]

On Guildford - Ascot it's 2x456
From London it's either 455+455+456 or 455+456+456.

 

[SpacePhoenix]

I wonder if SouthEastern are using all their 466s

 

[Peter Mugridge]

I wonder if SouthEastern are using all their 466s

That wouldn't really help SWT though would it? I seem to recall that 466s can only couple to 465s and vice-versa.

 

[Juniper Driver]

Saw red one coach on low loader @21:35.

 

[Defiance149]

Saw red one coach on low loader @21:35.

Should be 456021 as that's been away the longest.

 

[Juniper Driver]

Hopefully 456's will be on the move tomorrow as i'm on them.

 

[Dr_Paul]

I think that all the stations on the Kingston loop out of Waterloo have been lengthened to take 10-car trains. I have seen only one 456 in use on the loop, a six-car 455 and 456 service one afternoon about 10 days back. This was running late and ran non-stop from Richmond to Waterloo, which was neat (but not for those wishing to alight en route). Otherwise when ever I've been on Kingston loop or Shepperton services, they've been made up of either one or two 455s.

 

[hassaanhc]

I think that all the stations on the Kingston loop out of Waterloo have been lengthened to take 10-car trains. I have seen only one 456 in use on the loop, a six-car 455 and 456 service one afternoon about 10 days back. This was running late and ran non-stop from Richmond to Waterloo, which was neat (but not for those wishing to alight en route). Otherwise when ever I've been on Kingston loop or Shepperton services, they've been made up of either one or two 455s.

There are three circular services on the Kingston line that are booked a 455+455+456 consist (so 10 cars). There are none booked to Shepperton.

From Waterloo:
1713 and 1933 out via Richmond/return via Wimbledon.
1757 out via Wimbledon/return via Richmond.

As far as I'm aware, this list posted by Mr Keith Jarrett on 23 May is still correct http://www.railforums.co.uk/showthread.php?t=93187&page=42

 

[BurtonM]

7. No toilets for passengers or staff to use.

They used to have toilets.
Back around 10 years ago when Southern came in and the slamdoors went out (sad times), 456s regularly showed up coupled onto a 455 or as 2x456 on the suburbans out of London Bridge, or as single units and the London Bridge-Victoria via Crystal Palace. An unfortunate event, in those times.

They were unrefurbished - in a very, very sorry state too. Patchy, faded, unbranded NSE livery on the outside, beige inside with knackered NSE blue seats and windows scratched to opacity. They, for some reason, had a toilet in one car, and it stunk out most of the train. Worse than Voyagers. Horrible places to be.

 

[ScotGG]

I wonder if SouthEastern are using all their 466s

They very much are. There's not a jot of spare capacity. More trains are badly needed on SE.

 

[Northern Pacer]

They, for some reason, had a toilet in one car, and it stunk out most of the train. Worse than Voyagers. Horrible places to be.

Jesus Christ, they must have been grim to be worse than Vomit Comets...

 

[Juniper Driver]

They used to have toilets.
Back around 10 years ago when Southern came in and the slamdoors went out (sad times), 456s regularly showed up coupled onto a 455 or as 2x456 on the suburbans out of London Bridge, or as single units and the London Bridge-Victoria via Crystal Palace. An unfortunate event, in those times.

They were unrefurbished - in a very, very sorry state too. Patchy, faded, unbranded NSE livery on the outside, beige inside with knackered NSE blue seats and windows scratched to opacity. They, for some reason, had a toilet in one car, and it stunk out most of the train. Worse than Voyagers. Horrible places to be.

The small window on the DTSO is where the toilet used to be.Wasn't there the same sort of story on the 159's that the toilet was where the cab is now?

 

[455driver]

The small window on the DTSO is where the toilet used to be.Wasn't there the same sort of story on the 159's that the toilet was where the cab is now?

The centre coaches used to have 2 toilets at the same end, one was removed and the area turned into a lockable storage area, when the trains were refurbished the area was opened out into a seating area.

 

[61653 HTAFC]

The centre coaches used to have 2 toilets at the same end, one was removed and the area turned into a lockable storage area, when the trains were refurbished the area was opened out into a seating area.

The 159/1s still have this second toilet cubicle, but it was permanently locked out of use during Transpennine days, and during the 159-conversion the doorway was replaced with a solid wall. I'm not sure if the toilet itself is still in place though.*

*unless this is yet another railway myth!

 

[Juniper Driver]

Not sure then,just what I was told.Anyway had 5737+456014 today.The other 456 decided to give it a miss.Guard told me it's normally 8 coaches.

 

[hassaanhc]

Not sure then,just what I was told.Anyway had 5737+456014 today.The other 456 decided to give it a miss.Guard told me it's normally 8 coaches.

Ah, that confirms the consist then I saw them too, but misread MSO 62819 as 62829 and messed it up, although got DMSO 64748 right . Seen on the 2J48 1554 Hampton Court to London Waterloo.

 

[Juniper Driver]

Ah, that confirms the consist then I saw them too, but misread MSO 62819 as 62829 and messed it up, although got DMSO 64748 right . Seen on the 2J48 1554 Hampton Court to London Waterloo.

Yes but that wasn't me.I worked it later.