Class 456's on the move?

[Kite159]

Sort of fell onto 017/019 this afternoon, first red 456, and first ponder is that there isn't much in the way of legroom on those bays/airline seats.

Only a bus stop leap between Clap J & Vaux so couldn't tell if there were any issues with motor noises.

 

[387star]

Including any currently being refurbished how many are there left to be refurbished?

Sounds like half way now

 

[WarrenTManager]

I had 456017+456002+5741 on the 1916 Waterloo to Chessington South, which I took as far as Raynes Park. I sat above the motors in 6017 and they weren't behaving. Leaving Waterloo, Vauxhall and Clapham Junction they worked on pullaway, but then kept cutting out and coming back a couple of times and then remained out. Improved to just one cut out and remaining working when leaving Earlsfield and Wimbledon. When I got off at Raynes Park and watched+listened to it pull away, I found the motors in 6002 were dead. It lost a couple of minutes time as well.

Motors were fine. It did need a new digital IO card I hear, causing things to get in a mucking fuddle on the chopper control.

 

[387star]

Saw a very smart one at Northam

 

[Juniper Driver]

One passed me somewhere (yesterday) and it struck me how similar the motor noises are to a 455.

 

[physics34]

One passed me somewhere (yesterday) and it struck me how similar the motor noises are to a 455.

Same motors aren't they? EE507s. A lot of the other traction gear is different though. They don't have a camshaft.

 

[Juniper Driver]

Same motors aren't they? EE507s. A lot of the other traction gear is different though. They don't have a camshaft.

Oh knew about camshaft lark but didn't know same motors,that would explain it.Cheers.

We did have chopper 455's once.

On a side note I've heard they are underpowered.(The 456's I mean,not the 455's.)

 

[physics34]

Oh knew about camshaft lark but didn't know same motors,that would explain it.Cheers.

We did have chopper 455's once.

On a side note I've heard they are underpowered.(The 456's I mean,not the 455's.)

Yeh very much underpowered and struggle a lot in leaffall but at least the brakes are decent. Yeh remember the chopper 455s

 

[SpacePhoenix]

Oh knew about camshaft lark but didn't know same motors,that would explain it.Cheers.

We did have chopper 455's once.

On a side note I've heard they are underpowered.(The 456's I mean,not the 455's.)

Would it make any difference to the 456s if they were to receive new AC packages like the 455s (though would it be worth the cost?)?

 

[Juniper Driver]

Would it make any difference to the 456s if they were to receive new AC packages like the 455s (though would it be worth the cost?)?

It's all about money,so probably not.

 

[al.currie93]

It's all about money,so probably not.

Very true! I had 456s through Ockley a lot when they were still with Southern and I grew quite fond of them! They do sound similar to 455s, possibly sounding a little more whiney!

 

[louis97]

Does anyone have any information on 456 diagrams for the new timetable? I am aware they have changed, however don't have any further details.

 

[Juniper Driver]

Very true! I had 456s through Ockley a lot when they were still with Southern and I grew quite fond of them! They do sound similar to 455s, possibly sounding a little more whiney!

I do like them,they look so similar to 455's apart from the cab.Frustrating though as I last drove one last December.:-x
(My one and only time apart from the greenie in training.Also piloted 2x 456 into Wimbledon but couldn't drive at that time as I wasn't trained on them)

 

[Keith Jarrett]

Does anyone have any information on 456 diagrams for the new timetable? I am aware they have changed, however don't have any further details.

1D49 17:24 Waterloo-Dorking seems to be no longer 455+456+456 But today there was a 455+456+456 combo on the up fast at Vauxhall at about 17:20. The only train that seems to fit is 5V51 which is empties for the 17:37 Hounslow Looper. In the last timetable that was 458/5 (variously one or two).

 

[JonathanH]

Does anyone have any information on 456 diagrams for the new timetable? I am aware they have changed, however don't have any further details.

At least he following trains seem to be 455+456+456 based on my short visit to Waterloo this morning.

2J09 0706 London Waterloo to Hampton Court
2M09 0716 London Waterloo to Chessington South
1D09 0724 London Waterloo to Dorking

 

[Keith Jarrett]

At least he following trains seem to be 455+456+456 based on my short visit to Waterloo this morning.

2J09 0706 London Waterloo to Hampton Court
2M09 0716 London Waterloo to Chessington South
1D09 0724 London Waterloo to Dorking

Based on the above information and observations over the last week, I reckon that we have at least the following diagrams

Diagram A 455+456+456
06:10 Wimbledon Chessington South 06:28 2M03
06:39 Chessington South Waterloo 07:15 2M10
07:24 Waterloo Dorking 08:12 1D09
08:31 Dorking Waterloo 09:25 1D18
09:36 Waterloo Hampton Court 10:12 2J19
10:24 Hampton Court Waterloo 11:01 2J26
11:09 Waterloo Guildford 12:20 2D25
12:37 Guildford Waterloo 13:37 2G36
13:46 Waterloo Chessington South 14:20 2M35
14:39 Chessington South Waterloo 15:15 2M42
15:24 Waterloo Dorking 16:11 1D41
16:35 Dorking Waterloo 17:25 1D50
17:36 Waterloo Hampton Court 18:12 2J51
18:24 Hampton Court Waterloo 19:01 2J58
19:09 Waterloo Guildford 20:20 2D57
20:28 Guildford Wimbledon 21:12 5Y60 ECS

Diagram B 455+456+456
05:28 Wimbledon Epsom Up 05:56 5D89 ECS
06:11 Epsom Up Epsom 06:13 5D90 ECS
06:18 Epsom Waterloo 06:56 2D90
07:06 Waterloo Hampton Court 07:42 2J09
07:53 Hampton Court Waterloo 08:31 2J16
08:39 Waterloo Guildford 09:50 2D15
10:07 Guildford Waterloo 11:07 2G26
11:16 Waterloo Chessington South 11:50 2M25
12:09 Chessington South Waterloo 12:45 2M32
12:54 Waterloo Dorking 13:41 1D31
14:05 Dorking Waterloo 14:55 1D40
15:06 Waterloo Hampton Court 15:42 2J41
15:54 Hampton Court Waterloo 16:31 2J48
16:39 Waterloo Guildford 17:50 2D47
18:07 Guildford Waterloo 19:07 2G58
19:06 Waterloo Chessington South 19:50 2M57
20:09 Chessington South Waterloo 20:45 2M64
20:54 Waterloo Epsom 21:27 2D67
21:34 Epsom Waterloo 22:10 2D74
22:20 Waterloo Woking 23:08 2F69
23:18 Woking Wimbledon 23:36 5Y65 ECS

Diagram C 455+456+456
05:49 Wimbledon Guildford 06:32 2G03
06:58 Guildford Waterloo 08:13 2D14
08:20 Waterloo Woking 09:08 2F13
09:32 Woking Waterloo 10:22 2F22
10:33 Waterloo Guildford 11:34 2G23
11:58 Guildford Waterloo 13:10 2D34
13:20 Waterloo Woking 14:08 2F33
14:32 Woking Waterloo 15:22 2F42
15:33 Waterloo Guildford 16:34 2G43
16:58 Guildford Waterloo 18:10 2D54
18:20 Waterloo Woking 19:15 2F53
19:32 Woking Waterloo 20:22 2F62
20:33 Waterloo Guildford 21:34 2G63
21:46 Guildford Waterloo 22:55 2D76
23:03 Waterloo Guildford 00:02 2G73

Diagram D 455+456+456
06:06 Guildford Waterloo 07:09 2G10
07:16 Waterloo Chessington South 07:50 2M09
08:09 Chessington South Waterloo 08:47 2M16
08:54 Waterloo Dorking 09:44 1D15
10:05 Dorking Waterloo 10:55 1D24
11:06 Waterloo Hampton Court 11:42 2J25
11:54 Hampton Court Waterloo 12:31 2J32
12:39 Waterloo Guildford 13:50 2D31
14:07 Guildford Waterloo 15:07 2G42
15:16 Waterloo Chessington South 15:50 2M41
16:09 Chessington South Waterloo 16:45 2M48
16:54 Waterloo Dorking 17:44 1D47
18:05 Dorking Waterloo 18:55 1D56
19:06 Waterloo Hampton Court 19:42 2J57
19:54 Hampton Court Waterloo 20:31 2J64
20:39 Waterloo Guildford 21:46 2D65
22:07 Guildford Waterloo 23:07 2G74
23:15 Waterloo Hampton Court 23:44 5J63 ECS
23:56 Hampton Court Wimbledon 00:25 5Y76 ECS

Diagram E 455+455+456
05:35 Wimbledon Waterloo 05:54 3G05 ECS
06:03 Waterloo Guildford 07:04 9G05
07:16 Guildford Waterloo 08:13 9G90
08:21 Waterloo Wimbledon 09:06 3Y81 ECS
16:22 Wimbledon Waterloo 17:05 3O96 ECS
17:13 Waterloo Waterloo 18:29 9O96
18:48 Waterloo Guildford 19:41 9G91

Diagram F 455+455+456
05:20 Guildford Woking 05:41 3F82 ECS
05:43 Woking Waterloo 06:20 9F82
06:50 Waterloo Guildford 07:47 9F07
08:07 Guildford Waterloo 09:01 9G92
09:26 Waterloo Clapham Yard 09:56 3Y23 ECS
12:57 Clapham Yard Strawberry Hill 13:31 3O03 ECS
16:57 Strawberry Hill Waterloo 17:42 3K51 ECS
17:57 Waterloo Waterloo 19:16 9K51
19:33 Waterloo Waterloo 20:49 9O59
21:02 Waterloo Hampton Court 21:23 3J61 ECS
21:55 Hampton Court Wimbledon 22:25 3Y63 ECS

On Friday evening, I saw all four 8-car diagrams and all were 455+456+456. Of particular note was 456020 on the 16:39 Waterloo to Guildford.

While passing Wimbledon depot on Friday night, there was a red 456 being unloaded which has subsequently been reported as 456005 with 456009 going the other way on Thursday 21st. So I make the current status as
456001/009/016 at Wolverton
456007/008/011/013/021/022/023 still running unrefurbished in ex Southern condition
456005 at Wimbledon for acceptance tests
Remainder refurbished and available for traffic

 

[HarleyDavidson]

456023 left "The Park" & went to Wolverton a few days ago on the back of two transporters.

 

[HeelBurton]

There was a refurbished pair running on the Guildford Ascots on Thursday. Spotted this as I pulled into ascot. Didn't get the numbers of the units unfortunately. Don't know if this was the first example of a refurbished pair running the Guildford Ascots.

 

[Dstock7080]

456011+456013 in green on 0745 Clapham Junction-Guildford, today.

 

[hassaanhc]

456011+456013 in green on 0745 Clapham Junction-Guildford, today.

I was actually on that between Clapham Junction and Feltham


South West Trains 456011+456013 on the 0745 Clapham Junction to Guildford via Ascot by Hassaan Chaudhry, on Flickr


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Diagram D 455+456+456
06:06 Guildford Waterloo 07:09 2G10
07:16 Waterloo Chessington South 07:50 2M09
08:09 Chessington South Waterloo 08:47 2M16
08:54 Waterloo Dorking 09:44 1D15
10:05 Dorking Waterloo 10:55 1D24
11:06 Waterloo Hampton Court 11:42 2J25
11:54 Hampton Court Waterloo 12:31 2J32
12:39 Waterloo Guildford 13:50 2D31
14:07 Guildford Waterloo 15:07 2G42
15:16 Waterloo Chessington South 15:50 2M41
16:09 Chessington South Waterloo 16:45 2M48
16:54 Waterloo Dorking 17:44 1D47
18:05 Dorking Waterloo 18:55 1D56
19:06 Waterloo Hampton Court 19:42 2J57
19:54 Hampton Court Waterloo 20:31 2J64
20:39 Waterloo Guildford 21:46 2D65
22:07 Guildford Waterloo 23:07 2G74
23:15 Waterloo Hampton Court 23:44 5J63 ECS
23:56 Hampton Court Wimbledon 00:25 5Y76 ECS

The bold and underlined working was indeed that consist today:

South West Trains 5701+456010+456020 on the 1D15 0854 London Waterloo to Dorking by Hassaan Chaudhry, on Flickr

 

[Dstock7080]

I was actually on that between Clapham Junction and Feltham

I was waiting on pfm.1 at Feltham when it came in!

 

[hassaanhc]

I was waiting on pfm.1 at Feltham when it came in!

Narrowly missed each other then! I returned on the 0816 to Waterloo via Richmond, but had made it over to P1 before the 0807 via Hounslow. Only made the red 456s at Waterloo because they departed almost 2 minutes late.

 

[Deepgreen]

Saw my first six car formation (455 + 456) approaching Vauxhall yesterday evening. Didn't see what it was working.

 

[Juniper Driver]

Those numbers are hard to see sometimes,esp when passing at warp speed.Same with 459's.

 

[hassaanhc]

Those numbers are hard to see sometimes,esp when passing at warp speed.Same with 459's.

The 456 units have them hidden at the bottom, unlike the 458/5 units where they are easier to see. Still better than original 458 units where they got hidden by the gangway.

Or did you mean on 458/5 they should have gone Desiro style? Like

458
511

instead of one line?

 

[Juniper Driver]

456 the location and 459 the colour clash.Desiro's are more easy to see,for me anyway.

 

[Deepgreen]

Saw my first 10 car formation last evening on the 1713 Waterloo to Waterloo. I have yet to see any SWT-liveried 456s in service with the destination display working, though - what is the problem here - it seems bizarre!

 

[Goldfish62]

Red 456s are now in service on Ascot - Guildford services. I spotted a pair last Thursday.

 

[Juniper Driver]

Saw my first 10 car formation last evening on the 1713 Waterloo to Waterloo. I have yet to see any SWT-liveried 456s in service with the destination display working, though - what is the problem here - it seems bizarre!

Think Wimbledon have enough to do without worrying about minor problems.

 

[TEW]

Red 456s are now in service on Ascot - Guildford services. I spotted a pair last Thursday.

Been 1 pair out most days for the last couple of weeks now. Could well be up to 2 now. There was 1 pair out in service today and another stabled in Guildford Carriage Sidings, which would have been a pair used on the route yesterday.