Class 456's on the move?

[antharro]

Didn't Bournemouth have a new paint shop installed some time ago? Could be used for this? (Assuming they could do whatever else is required...)

 

[fgwrich]

Didn't Bournemouth have a new paint shop installed some time ago? Could be used for this? (Assuming they could do whatever else is required...)

The Bournemouth Depot Paint Shop should be currently in use in the repainting of the 455 Fleet - iirc that's what it's original intention was for.

 

[swt_passenger]

The Bournemouth Depot Paint Shop should be currently in use in the repainting of the 455 Fleet - iirc that's what it's original intention was for.

Bournemouth is doing a C6 overhaul of the 455 fleet which includes the final few DDA mods (stuff like improved door sounders) as well as the full repaint in the new paint shop. Awarded by Porterbrook to SWT's in-house team after a competition apparently.

The re-tractioning of the 455s is a separate project, awarded to Vossloh Kiepe (formerly Transys Projects) and it has been reported that will be initially done at Wimbledon for a trial fit but they intend to go into series production with that work at Eastleigh.

It's possible in the timescales that the space needed at Eastleigh will be made available once the current Southern 455 overhauls and painting are finished?

 

[Goldfish62]

Bournemouth is doing a full refurbishment of the 455 fleet (excluding traction equipment) which includes the final few DDA mods (stuff like improved door alarms) as well as the full repaint in the new paint shop.

I wouldn't exactly call it a full refurb.... As far as I can see all that has been done is a repaint and cleaning the seat covers and floors. The door alarms seem exactly the same as before, including lacking a door release chime, which I thought was a "DDA" requirement.

 

[swt_passenger]

Only going by what I'd read about the DDA work, I haven't been on one that's been done yet. This is what Porterbrook said:

SSW will be undertaking the C6 overhaul at their Bournemouth facility. The total project cost is circa £23m and the base scope includes a full exterior repaint in two-pack paint, a major overhaul of the passenger and crew door systems and a heavy clean of the interior. In addition Porterbrook are extending the scope to include any outstanding work needed to make the Class 455 units PRM TSI compliant, ahead of the 2020 deadline.

The vehicles are already largely compliant due to previous modifications and refurbishment work but the additional work required for PRM TSI compliance is as follows:

Fitment of compliant external door sounders
Internal door handles will be changed to a compliant design
Call for aid button will be fitted at both wheelchair positions
Wheelchair ramps will be provided.

http://www.porterbrook.com/pages/corp2012.html

I'll correct the above post to reflect it isn't a refurb...

 

[TEW]

The first few sets have returned without the DDA modifications and will have to go back at a later date to have them retrofitted, it is still part of the programme though.

 

[Goldfish62]

The first few sets have returned without the DDA modifications and will have to go back at a later date to have them retrofitted, it is still part of the programme though.

Thanks for the update. I was clearly not going mad when I couldn't see any of the enhancements.

 

[59CosG95]

Anyone know when the entire fleet is coming into squadron service? Haven't seen any 456s in Red, Orange and Blue yet.

 

[Uzair]

Shouldn't be too long. There are have been 8 456 units on the WIM side of Wimbledon Park Depot for around a week now.

 

[59CosG95]

Shouldn't be too long. There are have been 8 456 units on the WIM side of Wimbledon Park Depot for around a week now.

Ah, that's a relief to hear. Haven't taken a train past the depot for a while so haven't seen any 456s yet.

 

[TEW]

Crew training starts next week with paths in for trips on the Shepperton branch. Expect it will be a while until a 456 appears in SWT livery as AFAIK they are getting repainted at the same time as they are refurbished, and the first batch of units only went for refurb recently.

 

[andy19_64]

24x 456 units left Stewarts Lane just before Xmas going to Wolverton to be refurbished

 

[TEW]

Only 12 went to Wolverton, the rest went to SWT at Wimbledon Depot.

 

[andy19_64]

Only 12 went to Wolverton, the rest went to SWT at Wimbledon Depot.

Sorry i should have been more clear, 1 lorry = 1 coach. 24 journeys = 12 units

 

[Goldfish62]

They start entering service next week, according to the SWT webchat. Presumably the four Ascot-Guildford shuttles first.

 

[swt_passenger]

They start entering service next week, according to the SWT webchat. Presumably the four Ascot-Guildford shuttles first.

It will need five units (or more if any services are doubled up) to go fully 456 operated - which ought to release the 5 x 450s that they've been using for the last week or two.

 

[Aictos]

Not forgetting of course that recently the 456s got cleared for the Lymington branch not that they see use down there of course.....

 

[jopsuk]

Not forgetting of course that recently the 456s got cleared for the Lymington branch not that they see use down there of course.....

Really? If they've been cleared (ie the paperwork has been filed), then perhaps what most (sensible) people have been saying regarding their use there (crews not trained, too far from what will be there home depot) will turn out to not be barriers? Because there's no chance that SWT would bother adding to them to the list of classes cleared if they weren't considering it; doing paperwork does take time which is money.

 

[WVL14]

Next week (Monday 24th) sees four 456 units enter service on the Guildford to Ascot route. There are two diagrams, both running as 4 cars. This releases two 450s.

 

[Aictos]

Really? If they've been cleared (ie the paperwork has been filed), then perhaps what most (sensible) people have been saying regarding their use there (crews not trained, too far from what will be there home depot) will turn out to not be barriers? Because there's no chance that SWT would bother adding to them to the list of classes cleared if they weren't considering it; doing paperwork does take time which is money.

Yes really, heard it first hand from a source from NR and I have no reason to doubt it as they've issued the notice internally within NR.

 

[Phillipimo]

Is this why the 1624 Basingstoke to Portsmouth Harbour is now a 450 rather than a 159? I assume other diesel services will be changed too.

 

[fgwrich]

Is this why the 1624 Basingstoke to Portsmouth Harbour is now a 450 rather than a 159? I assume other diesel services will be changed too.

Could well be, along with the releasing of a 450 from the Windsor branch with the eventual arrival of the 458s.

 

[455driver]

Is this why the 1624 Basingstoke to Portsmouth Harbour is now a 450 rather than a 159? I assume other diesel services will be changed too.

One day they will make their mind up what is going to operate that service, since 2006 it has been a 2 coach 170 (from Reading to Brighton, crush loaded from Basingstoke to Fareham), then a 4 coach 450 (from Basingstoke to Portsmouth), then a 6 coach 159 and then a 3 coach 159.

 

[swt_passenger]

One day they will make their mind up what is going to operate that service, since 2006 it has been a 2 coach 170 (from Reading to Brighton, crush loaded from Basingstoke to Fareham), then a 4 coach 450 (from Basingstoke to Portsmouth), then a 6 coach 159 and then a 3 coach 159.

Isn't it also one of the odd services on the route that is advertised as 'no first class' - so presumably if it permanently goes back to a 450 that might change?

 

[Gibby26]

Seems they have been out on the Guildford - Ascot line today:

https://twitter.com/PaulAppleyard/status/447022521020211200

Also information has been posted at stations about the "new" trains:

https://twitter.com/Lancaster32/status/446972913007484928/photo/1

 

[jopsuk]

Good to see the poster isn't trying to claim they're at all new!

 

[JB25]

The new trains from 1990 (or whatever year they were built!). Are they still Green?

 

[jopsuk]

Yes, if you open the large version of the poster photo it even explains that they're still green and says what the plans are for them

 

[nlogax]

Yes, if you open the large version of the poster photo it even explains that they're still green and says what the plans are for them

http://www.southwesttrains.co.uk/uploads/ascot-guildfordposter.pdf

 

[bluegoblin7]

Does anyone know which departures the 456s are currently forming? Thanks!