Class 455 with AC Motors

[Peter Mugridge]

Bizarre how I've never hit one yet. They're not flimsy buttons. They need a firm press..

I haven't hit one myself, but in the past month I have seen two activated by accident about a week apart!

 

[Juniper Driver]

As a driver though you wouldn't know about a 455/456 Call for Aid being pressed, they can only be answered by the guard in a cab other than the leading one. The driver shouldn't get any indication that one has been activated. I have had a few pressed by accident, but it's not too common.

Actually that reminds me I did have one on a 455 and one on a 456 both genuine and not accidents and I was aware.

 

[Goldfish62]

That's what I meant PRM TSI but they haven't received a proper refurbishment and they need it and also the class 4558/5's are not in great condition even thought the seats are only a couple of years old.

Do you mean 455/8 or 458/5? If the latter then I agree.

 

[MatthewRead]

Do you mean 455/8 or 458/5? If the latter then I agree.

Both really

 

[43096]

Both really

In that case I've no idea what (both of) you are expecting. To me the 458s are in good condition.

 

[MatthewRead]

In that case I've no idea what (both of) you are expecting. To me the 458s are in good condition.

Not the one I was on yesterday it had really dusty seats and it was one of the newer units and some of the cushions are falling off to:-x

 

[Goldfish62]

In that case I've no idea what (both of) you are expecting. To me the 458s are in good condition.

They're fine for mid life units, but not ones which SWT claim to have had a "complete refurbishment". But let's create another thread if we want to discuss further.

 

[Class455]

Both really

The 455/8's are being done last, so there isnt long to wait till they are all overhauled

 

[Class455]

Anyone know which unit is currently in for an overhaul?

 

[Dhassell]

If they are being done at Eastleigh Works, it will be 5735

 

[Class455]

455 741 has returned from retractioning and is back in service.

 

[Class455]

455 848 has now been through the paint shop and has been fully overhauled, but no sign of an AC motor. Similarly, I had 455 870, the only 455/8 that has been retractioned, and I'm very surprised that this has not had an overhaul yet, considering it was one of the first to be retractioned.

 

[Bigfoot]

The traction and general overall of paint and internals are two very different things. One is a special project the other is periodic regular maintenance.

 

[TEW]

455 848 has now been through the paint shop and has been fully overhauled, but no sign of an AC motor. Similarly, I had 455 870, the only 455/8 that has been retractioned, and I'm very surprised that this has not had an overhaul yet, considering it was one of the first to be retractioned.

I'm sure you've asked this question at least once before on this very thread and had it explained. They're two distinct projects.

 

[Class455]

455 728 has recently returned from retractioning at Eastleigh, had it yesterday on a Woking to London Waterloo service.
More 455/8's are being repainted. 455 849 and 455 872 have just returned from repaints and overhaul at Bournemouth. I had 455 849 on Wednesday and Friday and here is a picture of it. https://www.flickr.com/photos/100198363@N02/31720224480/in/datetaken-public/
455 847 and 455 863 meanwhile were photographed heading to Bournemouth Depot on December 22, so are currently there for overhaul. Not sure what unit is being retractioned though, presumably a 455/7.

 

[Peter Mugridge]

455 728 has recently returned from retractioning at Eastleigh, had it yesterday on a Woking to London Waterloo service.

It turned up paired with 455 726 on the 14.04 from Epsom yesterday ( 7th ).

 

[Class455]

It turned up paired with 455 726 on the 14.04 from Epsom yesterday ( 7th ).

Thats the same unit it was with when I had it.

 

[WarrenTManager]

455 728 has recently returned from retractioning at Eastleigh, had it yesterday on a Woking to London Waterloo service.
More 455/8's are being repainted. 455 849 and 455 872 have just returned from repaints and overhaul at Bournemouth. I had 455 849 on Wednesday and Friday and here is a picture of it. https://www.flickr.com/photos/100198363@N02/31720224480/in/datetaken-public/
455 847 and 455 863 meanwhile were photographed heading to Bournemouth Depot on December 22, so are currently there for overhaul. Not sure what unit is being retractioned though, presumably a 455/7.

Very rare that two 455 units go for overhaul together. One will be a taxi. It goes with the unit going down as 5B39, drops the unit off at Bournemouth and brings a completed one back whether it's a C4 or C6. The return working is 5Y51

Going down tends not to be the issue, it's the one coming back that is the riskier one for going pop!
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455 728 has recently returned from retractioning at Eastleigh, had it yesterday on a Woking to London Waterloo service.
More 455/8's are being repainted. 455 849 and 455 872 have just returned from repaints and overhaul at Bournemouth. I had 455 849 on Wednesday and Friday and here is a picture of it. https://www.flickr.com/photos/100198363@N02/31720224480/in/datetaken-public/
455 847 and 455 863 meanwhile were photographed heading to Bournemouth Depot on December 22, so are currently there for overhaul. Not sure what unit is being retractioned though, presumably a 455/7.

5728 has been back about a month.

 

[Peter Mugridge]

Thats the same unit it was with when I had it.

And you had it the day before me, yes? Interesting... I rarely see 455s stay paired for more than a couple of days although they do sometimes stay together for a while. I wonder how long 455 726 and 455 728 have been matched up?

 

[Class455]

And you had it the day before me, yes? Interesting... I rarely see 455s stay paired for more than a couple of days although they do sometimes stay together for a while. I wonder how long 455 726 and 455 728 have been matched up?

Today I saw them still paired up again but also had a 456 attached to the end of 455 726 going through the wash at Clapham Junction.

 

[Class455]

Can confirm 455 847 has returned from Overhaul. Just seen it at Clapham. Not sure about 863 (the unit it went with)

 

[hwl]

How long are the conversions taking to complete now?

 

[Class455]

How long are the conversions taking to complete now?

Today's Railways say that all 91 units should be completed by June, but only one 455/8 has been fitted with AC motors so far, and that's the testbed, 455 870!
They seem to be completing all the 455/7's first

 

[Class455]

455 701 has been completed recently, last time I saw it the unit still had GEC motors

 

[Keith Jarrett]

Most of the 57xx units seem to have been done - the only ones that I have yet to see with new traction equipment are 5702, 5703, 5704, 5706, 5710, 5712, 5717, 5718, 5722, 5730, 5737, 5739.

 

[TEW]

I worked 5706 last night and can confirm it now has AC traction equipment. 5737 I worked with AC traction equipment on the 23/01. Not sure on any of the others.

 

[Juniper Driver]

So what do you think of the retractioned units?

 

[TEW]

I'm only a guard but my impression is that most of the issues arise when an AC and DC units are paired together. A pair of AC units seems quick to accelerate and braking seems sharp, provided both are working. A mixed pair leads to a very uncomfortable ride however.

 

[Roast Veg]

I imagine that's very difficult to avoid without some sort of advanced power control, hopefully it won't last long.

 

[RichardW]

I'm only a guard but my impression is that most of the issues arise when an AC and DC units are paired together. A pair of AC units seems quick to accelerate and braking seems sharp, provided both are working. A mixed pair leads to a very uncomfortable ride however.

As the 456s are not being retractioned and will be around for a while working with the 455s (until both are replaced in the next franchise) does the same uncomfortable ride happen?