Class 172 Production Progress

trains2064 · 18 Feb 2011

172331 was moving round tyseley depot yesterday.

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Simon Poole · 18 Feb 2011

trains2064 said:
172331 was moving round tyseley depot yesterday.

Thanks for that

Kingfisher200262 · 18 Feb 2011

Simon Poole said:
Found this picture on the internet, the only picture of an Chiltern Railways Class 172(101) at the moment

http://www.flickr.com/photos/36593372@N04/5453933190/

Credit not mine

What does the letter "A" mean next to the unit number? I remember that the Class 321 units that used to be fitted for postal services had a "P" after (or was it before?) the unit number, but I've never seen the "A" used.

Kneedown · 18 Feb 2011

jopsuk said:
whilst this is a whole different approach

"NEWSFLASH - Train swallows tram!"
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Flywaver said:
Indeed! Just want a bit more oomph from them then ill be

That always seemed to be the problem with em. Not to worry though, our 158's seem to be heading the same way, i overtook one between Peterboro and Werrington the other week with a 153!

westcoaster · 18 Feb 2011

Kingfisher200262 said:
What does the letter "A" mean next to the unit number? I remember that the Class 321 units that used to be fitted for postal services had a "P" after (or was it before?) the unit number, but I've never seen the "A" used.

All trains have an A end/cab and a B end/cab, it helps when there are faults, so they know in which end the fault is.

swt_passenger · 18 Feb 2011

jamaal said:
I think some ex-WSMR sets are being retained for the promised London - Birmingham Loco Hauled services.

They aren't 'promised' - they happen now. There is one Moor St - London return service, and one Banbury to London return service - the latter is to allow Turbos to be taken out of service for GSM(R) fitting.

More widespread use of LHCS on Chiltern is not theoretically required until the line to Oxford opens, in mid 2013. However, I wonder what they'll do if the 'mainline' speed increase produces an unpredicted rise in passenger numbers - will they need more stock earlier?

Kingfisher200262 · 19 Feb 2011

westcoaster said:
All trains have an A end/cab and a B end/cab, it helps when there are faults, so they know in which end the fault is.

Nice to see that the boys in Derby are planning for things going wrong now. :lol:

Seriously though, every DMU and every EMU has a cab at each end... why should these particular units be special and have painted numbers amended to deal with this?

Old Hill Bank · 19 Feb 2011

Kingfisher200262 said:
What does the letter "A" mean next to the unit number? I remember that the Class 321 units that used to be fitted for postal services had a "P" after (or was it before?) the unit number, but I've never seen the "A" used.

Might it be to indicate that the unit is ATP fitted? :idea:

Kingfisher200262 · 20 Feb 2011

Old Hill Bank said:
Might it be to indicate that the unit is ATP fitted?

Could be perhaps. I haven't seen a photo of the "B" cab to see whether it has an "A" or a "B".

Do other ATP fitted units have an "A" after the painted number?

FLHH East Anglia · 20 Feb 2011

Old Hill Bank said:
Might it be to indicate that the unit is ATP fitted?

I think its to identify that 1st class is that end?

MCR247 · 20 Feb 2011

Chiltern don't have first class

swt_passenger · 20 Feb 2011

It identifies which way round the unit is when on the depot without having to see the side vehicle number. Chiltern happen to use A or B.

Some TOCs add a number corresponding to a digit of the vehicle number - for instance on a 158 a 2 or a 7 can differentiate between the 52nnn or 57nnn vehicle. Depot staff might refer to the '7 car' as a shorthand.

This EMT 158 on Wiki shows the 7 - low down on the right.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File

MT_Class_158_at_Piccadilly_Jan10.jpg

Crossforth · 20 Feb 2011

swt_passenger said:
It identifies which way round the unit is when on the depot without having to see the side vehicle number. Chiltern happen to use A or B.

Some TOCs add a number corresponding to a digit of the vehicle number - for instance on a 158 a 2 or a 7 can differentiate between the 52nnn or 57nnn vehicle. Depot staff might refer to the '7 car' as a shorthand.

This EMT 158 on Wiki shows the 7 - low down on the right.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FileMT_Class_158_at_Piccadilly_Jan10.jpg

I always wondered what the 7 meant :lol:

Thanks for that

trains2064 · 24 Feb 2011

Just heard on the graph vine that the second 172 turbostar should be arriving at tyseley tomorrow. I believe it to be 172332 but I can't confirm. I also can't get on to trust to gain times. If anyone can help with them I would be most greetful.
Cheers.
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Seen 172332 on tyseley today in the company of 172331. They are both parked on the siding nearest the main line.

WillPS · 24 Feb 2011

Any chance of a unit cascade around May then?

sprinterguy · 24 Feb 2011

trains2064 said:
Seen 172332 on tyseley today in the company of 172331. They are both parked on the siding nearest the main line.

Nice of LM to park them right next to the running lines for all to see

I might take a spin down to Tyseley and back to see for myself at some point.

sutty · 25 Feb 2011

They're still there as of 2 minutes ago

They're looking mighty fine, shiny as anything as well.

I knew there had to be *some* positives to working in Tyseley!

duffman82 · 25 Feb 2011

Any news when LM will be testing these on Snow Hill routes ?

trains2064 · 25 Feb 2011

Yes. Well they will be tested between tyseley and stratford upon avon. The paths have been there since feb 17th. From about 8 till 18. The will also be fast running down to leamington. These path will not be used every day and full testing/train will not start for another week at least. But they will be out and about. 172333 due march 22.

chris89 · 25 Feb 2011

Will be nice to see the 172's running from kiddy, but will miss the 150's though, also 172333 is due on my Birthday

Chris

MCR247 · 25 Feb 2011

Sorry to disapoint, but it will most likely be delayed :lol:

Old Hill Bank · 26 Feb 2011

MCR247 said:
Sorry to disapoint, but it will most likely be delayed

What's the reason for this delay?

MCR247 · 26 Feb 2011

Old Hill Bank said:
What's the reason for this delay?

It's bombardier, take any date with a pinch of salt.

Im just being a bit pessimistic.

Nym · 26 Feb 2011

Old Hill Bank said:
What's the reason for this delay?

Ressesion, a significant amount of their suppliers went bankrupt and terms are getting worse and worse for trade, so production is slowing down, and uncertanty of future orders means they may be trying to keep this one going.

If the govt. wanted to support our country's trade they'd be tendering Derby for a new Mk6 Carrage, initally for Chiltern and other operators to use with AAR, TDM and other coupling systems.

Invincibles · 26 Feb 2011

Nym said:
Ressesion, a significant amount of their suppliers went bankrupt and terms are getting worse and worse for trade, so production is slowing down, and uncertanty of future orders means they may be trying to keep this one going.

If the govt. wanted to support our country's trade they'd be tendering Derby for a new Mk6 Carrage, initally for Chiltern and other operators to use with AAR, TDM and other coupling systems.

Slightly confused by that...

Is the logic that if a part Canadian company builds it in Derby and sells it to a company with a German parent, the value added goes to reduce the trade defecit?

And who is going to use the MK6 after Chiltern and other operators?

I can believe that there is a problem of supply caused by the recession, but I struggle to see how the rest of it makes any sense at all.

MCR247 · 26 Feb 2011

Nym said:
If the govt. wanted to support our country's trade they'd be tendering Derby for a new Mk6 Carrage, initally for Chiltern and other operators to use with AAR, TDM and other coupling systems.

If the government wanted trains that work they'd stay well clear....

sprinterguy · 26 Feb 2011

Nym said:
If the govt. wanted to support our country's trade they'd be tendering Derby for a new Mk6 Carrage, initally for Chiltern and other operators to use with AAR, TDM and other coupling systems.

A mark 6 carriage built by Bombardier at Derby would suffer from all the same problems of supply chain as the Turbostars and Electrostars currently being built, and be susceptible to many of the same faults as have been witnessed with new units.

Plus, loco hauled carriage rakes would do nothing for Derby's current workload for the Snow Hill commuter lines, Stansted Express and short distance Chiltern workings. Until the GWML is electrified, there isn't a requirement for new Intercity trains that wuld suit loco hauled formations. It's extra capacity in the commuter trains that is needed at the moment.

Vectorspace · 8 Mar 2011

Went past Tyseley today a little before 8am. With the sun where it was I got a good look inside 172 331/2.

I could be wrong, but it looked to me that there was virtually no seating installed. Can anyone confirm?

cyclops · 8 Mar 2011

Confirmed. Currently no seats.

Vectorspace · 8 Mar 2011

Anyone know why?

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