377/6

[TEW]

377611 was in service on Saturday with 377618 on the Brighton diagram.

 

[Class377/5]

Looks like the 377/6 are going to visit Horsham as there is a diagram for a single unit that was filled this morning by 377606 until it was withdrawn for a unit issue.

Today actually saw 7x 377/6 booked to work services.

 

[Peter Sarf]

Thanks list updated again.

I notice 619 seems to be a straggler. Has it sneaked out into service ?.

 

[Class377/5]

Thanks list updated again.

I notice 619 seems to be a straggler. Has it sneaked out into service ?.

619 wasn't in service today. 621 is still at Bescot after two cancelled drags.

 

[JonathanH]

Looks like the 377/6 are going to visit Horsham as there is a diagram for a single unit that was filled this morning by 377606 until it was withdrawn for a unit issue.

Today actually saw 7x 377/6 booked to work services.

Presumably this was a metro diagram (ie via Epsom / Dorking)?

 

[TEW]

Yes. 2E76, 1617 Victoria-Horsham and 2E93, 1803 Horsham-Victoria are the services. A 377/6 is now back working on this diagram again this afternoon after the earlier failure, so they should run as a 377/6 this afternoon.

 

[Peter Sarf]

619 wasn't in service today. 621 is still at Bescot after two cancelled drags.

Doh, that will teach me to predict. Funny how one sneaked down last weekend though.

List corrected.

 

[JonathanH]

Yes. 2E76, 1617 Victoria-Horsham and 2E93, 1803 Horsham-Victoria are the services. A 377/6 is now back working on this diagram again this afternoon after the earlier failure, so they should run as a 377/6 this afternoon.

Sticking to that diagram, we should get the first 377/6 to Tattenham Corner tonight as well.

 

[Class377/5]

Diagrams thus far unless anyone has anything to add? (I suspect 905/906 could have PM trains)

SX

SU901/902

5G04 06+23 Selhurst Depot - Norwood Junction
2G04 06:32 Norwood Junction - London Bridge
3J03 07+34 London Bridge - Selhurst Depot
5G16 07+55 Selhurst Depot - Norwood Junction
2G16 08:92 Norwood Junction - London Bridge
5J67 08+36 London Bridge - Selhurst Depot
5U55 16+30 Selhurst Depot - London Bridge
2U55 17:05 London Bridge - West Croydon
1G54 17:42 West Croydon - London Bridge
2U61 18:06 London Bridge - West Croydon
5U61 18+42 West Croydon - Selhurst Depot

SU903/904

5R01 04+28 Selhurst – Balham
2R01 04:56 Balham – Victoria
2L04 06:24 Victoria – East Grinstead
2L07 07:36 East Grinstead – Victoria
2L14 08:53 Victoria – East Grinstead
2L19 10:07 East Grinstead – Victoria
2L24 11:23 Victoria – East Grinstead
2L29 12:37 East Grinstead – Victoria
2L34 13:53 Victoria – East Grinstead
2L39 15:07 East Grinstead – Victoria
2L44 16:23 Victoria – East Grinstead
2L49 17:37 East Grinstead – Victoria
2L54 18:53 Victoria – East Grinstead
2L59 20:07 East Grinstead – Victoria
2L64 21:23 Victoria – East Grinstead
2L69 22:37 East Grinstead – Victoria
2L74 23:49 Victoria – Oxted
5L74 00+37 Oxted – Selhurst Depot

SU905/906

5G08 06+55 Selhurst Depot – Norwood Junction
2G08 07:02 Norwood Junction – London Bridge
3J05 07+34 London Bridge – Selhurst Depot
5G18 08+25 Selhurst Depot – Norwood Junction
2G18 08:32 Norwood Junction – London Bridge
5K28 09+04 London Bridge – Crystal Palace
2G28 09:36 Crystal Palace – London Bridge
5J89 10+13 London Bridge – Selhurst Depot

SU907

5R03 04+50 Selhurst Depot – Epsom
2U92 05:23 Epsom – London Bridge
2F97 06:49 London Bridge – Victoria
2Y77 07:45 Victoria – Caterham
2P23 08:55 Caterham – Victoria
2R32 09:53 Victoria – Epsom
5R32 10+54 Epsom – Epsom Down Siding
5R45 11+01 Epsom Down Siding – Epsom
2R45 11:04 Epsom – Victoria
2S78 12:06 Victoria – Sutton
2S33 13:03 Sutton – Victoria
2R66 14:03 Victoria – Sutton
2R75 14:52 Sutton - Victoria
2E76 16:17 Victoria - Horsham
2E93 18:04 Horsham – Victoria
2P35 19:45 Victoria – Tattenham Corner
2P81 21:12 Tattenham Corner – Victoria
2E24 22:33 Victoria – Epsom
2R29 23:37 Epsom – West Croydon
5U29 23+58 West Croydon – Selhurst Depot
 
SO

0749 Brighton - Victoria
0906 Victoria - Brighton
1019 Brighton - Victoria
1136 Victoria - Brighton
1249 Brighton - Victoria
1406 Victoria - Brighton
1519 Brighton - Victoria
1636 Victoria - Brighton
1749 Brighton - Victoria
1906 Victoria - Brighton
2019 Brighton - Victoria
2136 Victoria – Brighton

5S07 07+15 Selhurst Depot to Norwood Junction
2S07 0723 Norwood Junction to London Victoria
2R18 0803 London Victoria to Sutton
2R27 0852 Sutton to London Victoria
2F12 0949 London Victoria to London Bridge
2F13 1052 London Bridge to London Victoria
2E40 1147 London Victoria to Epsom
5E40 12+33 Epsom to Epsom Down Sidings
5E47 12+41 Epsom Down Sidings to Epsom
2E47 1249 Epsom to London Victoria
2Y01 1343 London Victoria to Caterham
2P47 1456 Caterham to London Victoria
2R80 1553 London Victoria to Epsom
5R80 16+54 Epsom to Epsom Down Sidings
5E47 17+01 Epsom Down Sidings to Epsom
2R93 1704 Epsom to London Victoria
2S52 1806 London Victoria to Sutton
2S03 1903 Sutton to London Victoria
2R14 2003 London Victoria to Sutton
2R23 2052 Sutton to London Victoria
2F62 2149 London Victoria to London Bridge
2F61 2252 London Bridge to London Victoria
2R44 2351 London Victoria to Sutton
5R44 00+52 Sutton to Selhurst Depot

 

[southern442]

Are those the weekday or weekend diagrams?

 

[Class377/5]

Are those the weekday or weekend diagrams?

SX = Monday - Friday
SO = Saturday Only

 

[TheJRB]

Are those the weekday or weekend diagrams?

SX = Saturday and Sunday Excluded (Mon-Fri)
SO = Saturday Only

EDIT - Beaten to it!

 

[southern442]

SX = Monday - Friday
SO = Saturday Only

Ok, thanks. When will the other services like trains to Epsom downs commence? And will the 377/6's take over all the E. Grinstead trains or just the 10-car ones?
And I take it SU is sunday?

 

[Peter Sarf]

First Four are SX (Saturdays Excepted).
Other Two are SO (Saturdays Only).
EDIT - Beaten to it even more, you wait 10 minutes and then three replies come along !.

To add. Diagrams 901/902 and 905/906 have reliably produced in the evening in the last few weeks. I am assuming 905/906 turn into the evening runs that are about 30 minutes different to 901/902 on London Bridge to/from West Croydon. 903/904 looks to be the one that started last week. 907 is new !.

 

[Class377/5]

First Four are SX (Saturdays Excepted).
Other Two are SO (Saturdays Only).
EDIT - Beaten to it even more, you wait 10 minutes and then three replies come along !.

To add. Diagrams 901/902 and 905/906 have reliably produced in the evening in the last few weeks. I am assuming 905/906 turn into the evening runs that are about 30 minutes different to 901/902 on London Bridge to/from West Croydon. 903/904 looks to be the one that started last week. 907 is new !.

I suspect that 907 will get a 908 in December.

Ok, thanks. When will the other services like trains to Epsom downs commence? And will the 377/6's take over all the E. Grinstead trains or just the 10-car ones?
And I take it SU is sunday?

I don't know tbh.

Remember that Southern are slowly introducing the fleet. The next few weeks should see this ramp up and things may change.

Yes SU is Sunday Only.

 

[Manchester77]

First class on a 377/6 - http://www.flickr.com/photos/76437498@N03/10669618375/

 

[TEW]

I suspect that 907 will get a 908 in December.

I doubt it, 907 is what was previously a single Class 455 all day, so would be unlikely to go up to 10-car. Most of the workings are away from the main peak in/out of London.

Ok, thanks. When will the other services like trains to Epsom downs commence? And will the 377/6's take over all the E. Grinstead trains or just the 10-car ones?
And I take it SU is sunday?

Probably when platform extensions are commissioned to allow 10-car workings. Currently on most Metro routes they are limited to 8-carriage workings, so only a single 5-car 377/6. This limits their use at the moment as most services are currently 8-carriages in the peak, so replacing them with a 377/6 would represent quite a drop in capacity. The platform extensions are due to be commissioned by December.

The 377/6s aren't intended for East Grinstead work, I doubt there will be any more workings on the line, and I wouldn't be surprised if the current East Grinstead diagram reverts to other 377s once the 377/6s can work their intended Metro routes in 10-car formation.

 

[southern442]

I doubt it, 907 is what was previously a single Class 455 all day, so would be unlikely to go up to 10-car. Most of the workings are away from the main peak in/out of London.



Probably when platform extensions are commissioned to allow 10-car workings. Currently on most Metro routes they are limited to 8-carriage workings, so only a single 5-car 377/6. This limits their use at the moment as most services are currently 8-carriages in the peak, so replacing them with a 377/6 would represent quite a drop in capacity. The platform extensions are due to be commissioned by December.

The 377/6s aren't intended for East Grinstead work, I doubt there will be any more workings on the line, and I wouldn't be surprised if the current East Grinstead diagram reverts to other 377s once the 377/6s can work their intended Metro routes in 10-car formation.

The platform extensions have been opened at all stations on the BML as far as East croydon I believe, and I think they have also been opened as far as Sutton, not sure. So it was quite surprising when the 1522 Sutton to Victoria turned up as a 4-car 377/4 rather than a 5-car 377/6 (note that also this service used to be 8 cars but has recently been downgraded to 4 which is irritating as there aren't as many seats and you can't really get a booth to yourself anymore. I guess I shouldn't complain, at least I get a seat! But I normally travel in the declassified first class anyway as many people don't know its declassified so you usually get a compartment to yourself).

 

[JonathanH]

I doubt it, 907 is what was previously a single Class 455 all day, so would be unlikely to go up to 10-car. Most of the workings are away from the main peak in/out of London.

Probably when platform extensions are commissioned to allow 10-car workings. Currently on most Metro routes they are limited to 8-carriage workings, so only a single 5-car 377/6. This limits their use at the moment as most services are currently 8-carriages in the peak, so replacing them with a 377/6 would represent quite a drop in capacity. The platform extensions are due to be commissioned by December.

The 377/6s aren't intended for East Grinstead work, I doubt there will be any more workings on the line, and I wouldn't be surprised if the current East Grinstead diagram reverts to other 377s once the 377/6s can work their intended Metro routes in 10-car formation.

One observation is that all the 377/6 diagrams so far are still all out and back from Selhurst and I guess Southern are trying to find these captive diagrams where there is no coupling and uncoupling. There aren't a lot of this kind of diagram on Southern's operation.

In addition to the platform extensions, what work has been done on siding space. I assume that most of the sidings fit 8 or 12-coach formations. The extra capacity at Selhurst is apparent and there is now a pair of units at Dorking overnight but are all the other locations currently used for stabling metro stock overnight (and during the day) now extended for 10-coach operation. Might this also be a limiting factor in which services are currently suitable.

 

[Peter Sarf]

Yes Selhurst does seem to have gained extra sidings. Obviously there is a rise in the number of coaches allocated not just length of trains/units. Its only 456s leaving (48 coaches) and 26 377/6s arriving (130 coaches).

I also note that the shed nearest to the Norwood Jct-West Croydon lines seems to be getting lengthend by about one coach length judging by the ground works ?. Actually it looks to me as though they have dug a hole suitable for a traverser. The tracks at the Norwood Jct end seem to have been removed - I imagine temporarily but this must be affecting operatons at Selhurst depot ?.

 

[Southern Dvr]

Yes Selhurst does seem to have gained extra sidings. Obviously there is a rise in the number of coaches allocated not just length of trains/units. Its only 456s leaving (48 coaches) and 26 377/6s arriving (130 coaches).

The 'Field Sidings' opened in May & are technically not part of the depot itself. Any train movements in or out must be made with a mainline driver not Shunter driver.

I also note that the shed nearest to the Norwood Jct-West Croydon lines seems to be getting lengthend by about one coach length judging by the ground works ?. Actually it looks to me as though they have dug a hole suitable for a traverser. The tracks at the Norwood Jct end seem to have been removed - I imagine temporarily but this must be affecting operatons at Selhurst depot ?.

The 'New Shed' is being extended to accommodate 10 car trains. Makes a big restriction on movements as anything going in the shed has to go in from the Selhurst end.

 

[Class377/5]

377611 and 377612 both were in service yesterday.

377607 made it to Horsham via Epsom in service yesterday.

 

[Southern Dvr]

377607 made it to Horsham via Epsom in service yesterday.

And again today. Seemed to have 1st Class on it today.

 

[Peter Sarf]

I think all the 377/6s I have seen recently, even on the metro routes, had first class stickers. I cannot be sure they had the first class panties over the headrests though on metro, but they surely would not ?.

 

[TEW]

They still have the First Class antimacassars, I can imagine it's too much effort to keep removing them and replacing them but as with all other 377s when working Metro workings the First Class is declassified.

 

[Peter Sarf]

I have always assumed the panties (antimacassars) are held on with velcro but over the years I have sometimes puzzled why the souvenir hunters have not swiped them . They are not on my mind all the time btw .

 

[TEW]

They are, and the ones on the 377/6s also have a piece of elastic round them and the seat too, but it would still be a waste of time IMO for a member of staff to go round removing them or putting them back up as required every night.

 

[Peter Sarf]

It probably would not be a good idea for staff to be seen spending their time removing them and replacing them every night/morning ..

 

[MK Tom]

First class on a 377/6 - http://www.flickr.com/photos/76437498@N03/10669618375/

In other words, standard class on a 377/6.

 

[Manchester77]

With a bib for the seat