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i have seen alot of this in italy. --- old post above --- --- new post below --- how long must rail be left rust before the pitting renders it useless?

it all points to me to mean that this upgrade IS HS3 when it happens. NR are probably determining how much 4 tracking tunnel reopening and station rebuilding is required to meet their scope.

I believe that in the 1950's 4 tracking went from Huddersfield to Diggle junction. maybe NR have increased the scope of 4 track reinstatement???

bonkers. so what do the NW electrification team do after Bolton has been completed? will staly-vegas still get wires in the near future?

because a virgin ticket (mcr-london) can cost over 200quid? local commuting ticket approx. 10quid????? 200quid can buy you a cheap car!!

you cant polish a turd but you can roll it in glitter.

a coffin on a shopping trolley?? or is that still more comfortable than a pacer?

give the moaners their pacers back :lol:

I see HS3 as being the electrification programme with some 4 tracking + passing loops and line speed improvements. I expect liverpool-Manchester will be brought down to around 25 mins with express electrics on current infrastructure with future timetable changes,incremental improvements and...

Trees were chopped over the last weekend around winsford on WCML

when did Scotland move south?

now closed ditton had 5. I think that was unstaffed.

of course thats on a Windows OS.!! there is also a freeware tool called snagit that allows you to specify an area of the screen that you wish to grab

ctrl + printscreen or alt+printscreen ctrl+printscreen - grabs full screen content alt+printscreen - grabs active window only. then open paint and paste (shift + insert) (i think..:) my memory is ****)

ahh metro link....and its also not a hinderance to the mid Cheshire lines capabilities either!

I support HS2 on condition that the rest of the railway is electrified and upgraded in the meantime and things like buxton-matlock are reopened. the worry for me is that we have a HS2 link and meanwhile pacers are still running from Manchester to leeds etc etc etc

that would be a fair start and what is *needed*.

liv-chester-London might make sense if it covered shrewsbury + other non WCML stops (Chiltern) as a fast service. wouldn't really encroach on midlands service then. kind of replaces the old Birkenhead-London service.

very informative! With a slight historical deviation it could have ended up being called Oldham Spikes then??? :D

my back hurts thinking about it!