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What's wrong with the 458s?

As long as the new trains don't have ironing board seats (yuck!) then that's fine.

Or just refurbish the current trains to make them more reliable?

More decent and quicker than the 3rd rail mk3 EMUs (Excluding the 442s).

Exactly! If you're in a big hurry to go to Luton or Brent Cross like you said, just take a southeastern highspeed train and change at st pancreas international for a Thameslink (Shambleslink) service to go to Luton or change for anorthern line train for Brent cross.

Better:D

Can't wait for the 24tph (yipee more chaos). In their bubble world that would work but not in reality. They can't even get this new timetable right...

Sounds better.

Yes it does. If they want to go to a shopping centre then just go to bluewater. Not that far.

Will you still be saying that to the people that have probably lost their jobs due to Shameslink useless service?

I don't think this new Thameslink service will last once Crossrail opens. Just don't see it happening as more people will probably choose Crossrail over shameslink.:| I could be wrong though...

Couldn't agree more.

Not so superior as soon as you sit on those rock hard seats though, and not to mention the seat reduction.:rolleyes:

Thank god i won't be having to travel with them this weekend. Entire thing is in complete shambles.

Expect GTR to lose many of their passengers if they let this poor excuse of a timetable run until 2022 or 2021.

The sooner they scrap this poor excuse of a timetable the better!

I hope so. The last few days has been a nightmare so far. :rolleyes:

Is the rear first class declassified on the north Kent route?

Seriously? More new trains? Why? The current trains we have works perfectly alright, just need a clean up in the interior (especially the networkers).

Hear hear