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230001 in Polmadie Depot for COP26

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COP26 “Look at us, we can turn functional electric trains into DMUs, cos we don’t believe in real electrification…”

update: not a DMU anymore… :oops:
 
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COP26 “Look at us, we can turn functional electric trains into DMUs, cos we don’t believe in real electrification…”
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My understanding was that 001 has been fitted with battery modules as a ”replacement” for 002 which is now stateside.

Does anyone know if TSA AC motors have been fitted? The last time I saw 001 in 2018, it had retained the LT DC motors.
 
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D365 said:
My understanding was that 001 has been fitted with battery modules as a ”replacement” for 002 which is now stateside.

Does anyone know if TSA AC motors have been fitted? The last time I saw 001 in 2018, it had retained the LT DC motors.
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Yes, it has the TSA AC traction motors now.
 
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I heard a 314 is making its way from Bo'ness for COP26 too.
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That's the Arcola Energy fuel cell demonstrator 314209. I haven't seen anything public of it operational yet and it will be operating demonstration runs. This is the far more significant demonstrator, in my opinion.
 
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That's the Arcola Energy fuel cell demonstrator 314209. I haven't seen anything public of it operational yet and it will be operating demonstration runs. This is the far more significant demonstrator, in my opinion.
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I hope the graffiti is removed before it makes its debut.
 
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D365 said:
My understanding was that 001 has been fitted with battery modules as a ”replacement” for 002 which is now stateside.

Does anyone know if TSA AC motors have been fitted? The last time I saw 001 in 2018, it had retained the LT DC motors.
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Thanks all above, I didn’t know that. Does that mean it should have really had a new class number?
 
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Thanks all above, I didn’t know that. Does that mean it should have really had a new class number?
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Potentially! But then again the system seems very obscure:

230001: Originally diesel, now battery
230002: Battery (went to USA, so doesn't really matter any more)
230003 - 230005: Diesels (West Midlands)
230006 - 230010: Diesel/battery hybrids (TfW)

Perhaps Network Rail just can't keep up with the pace of change of Vivarail's product!!

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That's the Arcola Energy fuel cell demonstrator 314209. I haven't seen anything public of it operational yet and it will be operating demonstration runs. This is the far more significant demonstrator, in my opinion.
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Only if you believe all the hype about hydrogen.....
Will be very interesting to see whether Porterbrook and Arcola 'demonstrators' both turn a wheel during COP, let alone carry passengers.
 
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Looks like it's got a few runs planned to Barrhead during the first week of COP26.

Realtime Trains - 120I 1323 Glasgow Central to Barrhead

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Ten quid says it won't make it out of the depot under its own steam.


In other news, the 314 hydrogen conversion can now run under its own steam, however no news as yet as to whether it's in a passenger carrying condition or not. There was talk of having it do a return run out to Paisley Canal during the conference, however it will need more than a lock of paint before it's ready to roll, and time is getting tight for next week.
 
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waverley47 said:
Ten quid says it won't make it out of the depot under its own steam.


In other news, the 314 hydrogen conversion can now run under its own steam, however no news as yet as to whether it's in a passenger carrying condition or not. There was talk of having it do a return run out to Paisley Canal during the conference, however it will need more than a lock of paint before it's ready to roll, and time is getting tight for next week.
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The plans seem to be the 230 will charge up the batteries by OHL in 10 minutes and do runs to Barrhead or Kilmarnock.
The Hydrogen 314 will be doing shuttles from Glasgow Central to the conference.
The way thing are they will have lots of time if RMT decides to strike for a couple of weeks.

Although DOO trains should run.
 
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The plans seem to be the 230 will charge up the batteries by OHL in 10 minutes and do runs to Barrhead or Kilmarnock.
The Hydrogen 314 will be doing shuttles from Glasgow Central to the conference.
The way thing are they will have lots of time if RMT decides to strike for a couple of weeks.

Although DOO trains should run.
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230001 will return to Polmadie for charging in between demo runs between Glasgow Central and Barrhead. It doesn't charge through the OLE. It is charged through a shore supply. Contrary to some media reports, it isn't yet equipped for 'fast charging' but has been designed with provision for fitment of it post-COP26, when Vivarail hope to run it on the Greenford branch to demonstrate the advantages of fast charging.

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Ten quid says it won't make it out of the depot under its own steam.


In other news, the 314 hydrogen conversion can now run under its own steam, however no news as yet as to whether it's in a passenger carrying condition or not. There was talk of having it do a return run out to Paisley Canal during the conference, however it will need more than a lock of paint before it's ready to roll, and time is getting tight for next week.
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230001 was test running on the Cotswold Line last week, surprised it wasn't picked up on here. A lot of paperwork has been necessary to get it mainline certified according to Network Rail sources. Let us hope that the Arcola and Porterbrook teams haven't underestimated the task in hand, there is a hell of a lot more involved than just making it work!
 
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92002 said:
The plans seem to be the 230 will charge up the batteries by OHL in 10 minutes and do runs to Barrhead or Kilmarnock.
The Hydrogen 314 will be doing shuttles from Glasgow Central to the conference.
The way thing are they will have lots of time if RMT decides to strike for a couple of weeks.

Although DOO trains should run.
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As I said, ten quid says it won't make it out of the depot under its own stream. Vivarail are hardly anyone's flavour of the month right now, and as much as I very much want this to work, I just don't have the faith in them to deliver.

In reference to the 314, it's not currently got flooring or internal lighting installed, and it's in a rough shape externally, so I'd be impressed if it was indeed passenger worthy by next week.
 
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As I said, ten quid says it won't make it out of the depot under its own stream. Vivarail are hardly anyone's flavour of the month right now, and as much as I very much want this to work, I just don't have the faith in them to deliver.
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Why? 001 is essentially now a clone of 002, which has been running perfectly fine for several years.
 
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As I said, ten quid says it won't make it out of the depot under its own stream. Vivarail are hardly anyone's flavour of the month right now, and as much as I very much want this to work, I just don't have the faith in them to deliver.
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With a) No unreliable diesel gensets and b) No dodgy third rail gapping to contend with, batteries have got to be their best shot to deliver something that works! The world awaits....
 
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The Vivarail website has been given a makeover and now has a countdown to COP26. They must be confident that 230001 will work because they say:

Vivarail will be running a daily service out of Glasgow for delegates and VIPs to introduce this new technology. This will be extremely high-profile and has never been done before.
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I got the invite as a Modern Railways subscriber, but I think I’ll pass, as it’s 400 miles away…
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I note that it comes with the need to record a company and is subject to approval of the event organiser.

Presumably not open to the general public, even if they are Modern Railways subscribers.
 
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It's invitation only I'm afraid. It's about to set out on a proving run from Polmadie to Barrhead this afternoon. Due to go over the Forth Bridge on Saturday for a Network Rail promotional run. Hydroflex was supposed to do that as well, but sadly the massive team of engineers and academics at Porterbrook and Birmingham University haven't been able to get it working :)
 
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I note that it comes with the need to record a company and is subject to approval of the event organiser.

Presumably not open to the general public, even if they are Modern Railways subscribers.
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Make up a topical job
Company or Organisation: DfT
Job title: Head of snake oil drilling and bionic duckweed farming… o_O
 
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