EU Referendum: The result and aftermath...

[fowler9]

As ever, it's the remainers who are most obsessed with immigration

How do you come to that conclusion?

 

[EM2]

Twenty-eight days to go.

 

[HH]

DfT are busy preparing all their bad news press releases for that day.

 

[nlogax]

As ever, it's the remainers who are most obsessed with immigration

I think 'obsessed' is overstating it. More like 'bemused by the attitude of some leavers to it'. EU immigration was a massive focus of Leave campaigns as well as the current PM, both now and back when she was Home Secretary. When looked at in the context of the wider immigration figures it continues to be a red herring.

 

[Howardh]

Twenty-eight days to go.

Wait for the fourth official to indicate added time?

Penalties??

 

[Senex]

I think 'obsessed' is overstating it. More like 'bemused by the attitude of some leavers to it'. EU immigration was a massive focus of Leave campaigns as well as the current PM, both now and back when she was Home Secretary. When looked at in the context of the wider immigration figures it continues to be a red herring.

I don't understand why the Leavers are so hostile to immigration from within the EU but apparently not really concerned at all with the non-EU figures that are not going to drop.

 

[HH]

I don't understand why the Leavers are so hostile to immigration from within the EU but apparently not really concerned at all with the non-EU figures that are not going to drop.

We know that's not really the case; they just like to pretend that they were never really bothered about immigration in the first place - it was all about Blue Passports - now that they can't blame the immigration numbers on the EU.

As I keep saying, the leave movement isn't really about any concrete issues, because just about any complaint doesn't stand up to scrutiny, but rather about feelings, such as being left behind, "fings ain't wot they used to be", a general dissatisfaction with what life has brought, conjuring up the idea that life used to be better (and it was in some ways, if not in others). The architects of leave have shamelessly exploited those vague feelings by blaming the EU for just about everything that's wrong in their lives.

 

[Mvann]

I don't understand why the Leavers are so hostile to immigration from within the EU but apparently not really concerned at all with the non-EU figures that are not going to drop.

Because it's to do with equal rights and the ability to manage immigration.

 

[dosxuk]

Because it's to do with equal rights and the ability to manage immigration.

If it's to do with equal rights, why were people campaigning to remove rights from some people rather than granting rights to other people?

 

[Geezertronic]

I don't understand why the Leavers are so hostile to immigration from within the EU but apparently not really concerned at all with the non-EU figures that are not going to drop.

I don't think it's necessarily the EU Nationals that is the issue, it is probably the fact that immigrants from non-EU countries pass through several EU countries before illegally entering the UK

 

[WelshBluebird]

I don't think it's necessarily the EU Nationals that is the issue, it is probably the fact that immigrants from non-EU countries pass through several EU countries before illegally entering the UK

Except leaving the EU will literally do nothing to stop that happening.

 

[Mvann]

If it's to do with equal rights, why were people campaigning to remove rights from some people rather than granting rights to other people?

Because when unemployment rises migration needs controlling. When you have low unemployment and lots of jobs unfilled then you don't need to control it as much. Unfortunately the EU doesn't see it that way, hence why EU Citizens have freedom of movement and equal rights to job opportunities within the EU.

Hence why before the EU existed, we had the windrush generation, because if they hadn't been allowed in, London transport and council services would have ground to a halt through lack of staff.

 

[dosxuk]

Because when unemployment rises migration needs controlling. When you have low unemployment and lots of jobs unfilled then you don't need to control it as much. Unfortunately the EU doesn't see it that way, hence why EU Citizens have freedom of movement and equal rights to job opportunities within the EU.

Hence why before the EU existed, we had the windrush generation, because if they hadn't been allowed in, London transport and council services would have ground to a halt through lack of staff.

Don't we currently have record breaking levels of employment?

 

[EM2]

...it is probably the fact that immigrants from non-EU countries pass through several EU countries before illegally entering the UK

All of them?

 

[Geezertronic]

All of them?

For the want of a nail... or in this case a better phrased sentence from me

 

[radamfi]

Because when unemployment rises migration needs controlling.

If there are no jobs, then migrants won't come anyway.

 

[simonw]

I don't think it's necessarily the EU Nationals that is the issue, it is probably the fact that immigrants from non-EU countries pass through several EU countries before illegally entering the UK

The post was discussing immigration not illegal immigration. Leaving the EU will have little or no impact on the latter, if fact it may be worse as the EU will have no incentive to work with us to reduce it.

 

[EM2]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-47414699
Government pays Eurotunnel £33m over Brexit ferry case

The government will pay £33m to Eurotunnel in an agreement to settle a lawsuit over extra ferry services in the event of a no-deal Brexit.

In December, the Department for Transport (DfT) contracted three suppliers to provide additional freight capacity on ferries for lorries.

But Eurotunnel said the contracts were handed out in a "secretive" way.

As part of the agreement, Eurotunnel has agreed to make some improvements to its terminal.

One of the firms awarded a ferry contract, Seaborne Freight, has already had its deal cancelled after the Irish company backing it pulled out.

Shortly after it was awarded the contract, the BBC found out that Seaborne had no ships and had never run a ferry service.

Transport Secretary Chris Grayling has been heavily criticised for the Seaborne deal, which would have been worth £13.8m.

In January, Eurotunnel wrote to Mr Grayling to complain that it had not been considered when the contracts were awarded.

It argued that unlike Seaborne, it has actually run a cross-Channel ferry service (MyFerryLink, which closed in 2015) and should have been approached.

 

[VauxhallandI]

Another Brexit victory

 

[bramling]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-47414699
Government pays Eurotunnel £33m over Brexit ferry case

Another Grayling cockup?

 

[mmh]

I don't understand why the Leavers are so hostile to immigration from within the EU but apparently not really concerned at all with the non-EU figures that are not going to drop.

A word that remainers don't like, "control"

 

[EM2]

A word that remainers don't like, "control"

'Control' that the UK could have, as has been pointed out numerous times.

 

[Esker-pades]

A word that remainers don't like, "control"

We have power inside the EU to send EU-nationals back if they aren't earning enough or don't have a job. We already had that control and chose not to exercise it.

 

[HH]

A word that remainers don't like, "control"

I'm fine with control. I'm not fine with blaming the EU for the fact that Westminster hasn't exercised it.

 

[VauxhallandI]

How many times do we have to go over the immigration story?

Tedious

 

[alex397]

I don't think it's necessarily the EU Nationals that is the issue, it is probably the fact that immigrants from non-EU countries pass through several EU countries before illegally entering the UK

Except its not actually illegal when seeking asylum, even if they have passed through other countries first. And the vast majority of refugees DO go to the first EU country they get to. The minority that end up trying to get into the UK are coming here for family links, language (you can thank our former empire for spreading the English language for that), and because they get abused in other EU countries or not allowed in. Also, as someone else has mentioned, leaving the EU is unlikely to affect refugees trying to enter the UK anyway.

 

[HH]

How many times do we have to go over the immigration story?

Tedious

It's always refreshing to hear from an expert.

 

[VauxhallandI]

It's not a point of opinion, it's just a fact.

We have control, we don't use it. Yet time and again it comes up as a reasonable reason to leave. Tedious.

No need for actual or pub experts

 

[A Challenge]

Why didn't David Cameron, who had the ability to implement this control (I assume it's him), do this before the 2016 referendum, as then people may not have seen a need to vote leave, which is what he wanted, and it may have been a slim majority the other way?

 

[Senex]

Why didn't David Cameron, who had the ability to implement this control (I assume it's him), do this before the 2016 referendum, as then people may not have seen a need to vote leave, which is what he wanted, and it may have been a slim majority the other way?

That's a very good question. Wasn't there some sort of question about the practicalities of checking up on people and documentation, and the possibility of the courts objecting to the treatment of British nationals and citizens from other EU countries differently, or am I remembering completely wrongly? Certainly the legislation seems clear that what we all have is a right to work in another EU state, not a right just to go somewhere to claim more generous state hand-outs. If our policies had looked tougher, I think you could well be right that the slim majority might have been in the other direction.