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FCC Staff Shortage

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scotraildriver

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Why do FCC need divers? Major flooding? Seriously, here at Scotrail the wage deal at Freightliner has appreared on every bothy wall - ie Nothing this year. I wonder whats coming???????
 
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Seriously, here at Scotrail the wage deal at Freightliner has appreared on every bothy wall - ie Nothing this year. I wonder whats coming???????

These are not comparable companies. Freightliner are well in the dung financially so there is a different level of expectation. When they were doing well the staff were rewarded with (comparatively) a higher rate of pay than the average and personally I have no argument with that way of dealing wioth things. But FCC (and First Group) are in no way struggling financially and indeed in Moir Lockhead's own words are "recession proof" so it's disingenuous for First (Group or Capital Connect) to state that the latest offer given is a good one "in the current economic climate" because the climate has not affected First.
 

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Ive got to agree Fcc is definetly better under Elaine Holt than any of the previous franchises. Now i know some people will disagree, but I've lived and used the Thameslink route since i was born (21 in December).

Yesterday at peak was chaos. I know why the drivers are doing what they are doing, and I agree with it to an extent, but it doesn't stop me getting aggrivated at the situation for the customers.

Meh. I hope it gets solved soon.
 

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The fact that the TL side is now going to run a rather shocking emergency timetable shows they've given up (FCC, not the drivers).

I spoke to someone from FCC last night and we figured that if the drivers had been offered something this year and less next year (so the end result was much the same), they may have gone for it. It all seems to come down to the 0% this year, and most people accept 3% next year is pretty decent - perhaps too decent given the circumstances.

If Jim Morgan turned out to be someone that actually wanted to offer money and now he's gone, then it really is doomed now.
 

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Ive got to agree Fcc is definetly better under Elaine Holt than any of the previous franchises. Now i know some people will disagree, but I've lived and used the Thameslink route since i was born (21 in December).

Yesterday at peak was chaos. I know why the drivers are doing what they are doing, and I agree with it to an extent, but it doesn't stop me getting aggrivated at the situation for the customers.

Meh. I hope it gets solved soon.

Today should be better going of what the service is like the rest of the day. Tho it will ebb and flow as every days cover is different.
 

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The drivers have proved their point now, and got lots of publicity for it, so I would have thought some would be keen to get that overtime between now and any official action. Of course, all while making it quite clear to management how easy things could be disrupted again in the future.

That's how I'd play it. It will no doubt get the public on side too - without FCC thinking they're off the hook.
 

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Eleaine Holt now in charge of Nationalised East Coast.

Uh not exactly, she's the boss of DOR - Karen Boswell my old boss in charge of my department is the MD of East Coast.

Any idea on where the now ex East Coast MD Susan Goldsmith will now go?
Would be funny in a strange way if she was announced as the new FCC MD, wouldn't it? :lol:
 

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today I will mostly be at home decorating
Funny how it was about drivers refusing to work on Remembrance Sunday, but now FCC cant even run a decent service during the week, just goes to show how much they rely on the goodwill of the drivers to run the service.

A factual post on my part (as usual) not bulls**t just to get my post count up like some trol oops i mean people on here!
 

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The drivers have proved their point now, and got lots of publicity for it, so I would have thought some would be keen to get that overtime between now and any official action. Of course, all while making it quite clear to management how easy things could be disrupted again in the future.

That's how I'd play it. It will no doubt get the public on side too - without FCC thinking they're off the hook.

It is not as clear cut as that Jon. If only it was like that life would be easier all around. There have been two 'special' union meetings, Bedford and Brighton, both yesterday night. I don't know exactly what was said as I wasn't there but I heard the drivers agreed almost 100% to go for industrial action. This will more than likely take place mid December until it gets sorted out. I am afraid that is the way it is unless the managers come back with a decent offer. No one wants to strike but everyone I have spoken to, to a man, will walk out that door come the day. Unfortunately it really does look like it is going to happen.

Another idea bandied about was drivers all to start ticking the Rest Day sheet. The company would then be in a position to run a full service. The drivers on the other hand would then tell the company the day before they didn't want to work for what ever reasons and all blow the days out leaving the company right in it. That, was being talked about yesterday. Whatever way the company want to play it, the drivers will not be walked over at all.

I reckon all the company have to do is offer 1.5/2% for this year and that will be the end of it. I still can't believe they havn't been threatened by the government to take the franchise away from them because of this, what does it take to loose a franchise!!!!
 

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Here's some more info I've just seen on their website:
FCC said:
During this time, first class accommodation on Thameslink will be declassified to maximise capacity. We apologise to First class ticket holders, however customers holding first class tickets will be able to apply for compensation through customer relations if you cannot get a seat in first class.
 

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God, they must be getting hit with massive fines for messing up their timetable!

(and if not, why not?)

It's interesting that FCC are now 'coming clean' after around three weeks and talking about 'hindsight' for not owning up and telling passengers the truth. Is this a reflection of the change of leadership (and therefore something positive that may happen) or just a clever PR stunt and a way of trying to gain sympathy - and therefore do absolutely nothing?
 

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Let's hope there isn't industrial action. That'd be absolutely horrible for the customers since only 3 stations of the stations north of Mill Hill have EMT services. I imagine people will be driving to Luton and Bedford and cramming in.

I too am quite suprised the government has not interviened. It just shows how little they care IMO and reinforces the view that Thameslink is just their cashcow.
 

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They have. They've been told they are in breach of franchise and sort it out or else and by all accounts given a time limit.
 

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Well there's a few GN services cancelled today due to driver shortages, mostly the Inners have been cancelled.
 

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Talks were held today and the offer was rejected outright.

Talks will continue tomorrow (friday).

Not what I heard this evening.....I heard an offer was made,and the local reps from the depots are meeting tomorrow to be told what it is
 

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73110 is right.

The offer (1%, one year deal) was rejected ysterday afternoon and talks are continuing today. Reps are going up to London this afternoon for a meeting, probably to be told to spread the word to Drivers to get back to working your says off and "stop rocking the boat".
 

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If it is 1.5% offered today I think that will go through.

Wasn't it last Friday the powers to be told FCC they had 7 days to sort it out and today is the 7th day! It will be resolved today. It HAS to be resolved today!!

The offer will be accepted by ASLEF and all will be well, back to normal next week I reckon.
 

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They have. They've been told they are in breach of franchise and sort it out or else and by all accounts given a time limit.

Interestingly the DfT approved the timetable so they know whats going on.

Does seem we're heading for strike action now. Which to be honest is the worse idea ever. Any public support will quickly die when they announce they are doing a strike.
 

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If a driver is on £38,000, the difference between 1.5% and 1.0% is less than £200 by my rather quick calculation, before tax!

Is it really about the money or the principle? I am starting to wonder, especially about the 40% of drivers who are losing far more by taking this action!!
 
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