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Viewing material on ipad - whose right/wrong and would the BTP get involved

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Darandio

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The most recent post on that mumsnet forum says that we are awful.


I am very unsure how to react to this.

Do things they would do as a decoy. Praise Kirstie Allsopp, smash IPads, ban casual gaming and revive Mary Whitehouse. That sort of thing.
 

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The most recent post on that mumsnet forum says that we are awful.


I am very unsure how to react to this.

Copious amounts of laughter.

Well it certainly made me chuckle, especially the bit about this forum being mainly populated with people from the rail industry.

Seriously though some of the "won't you think of the children" comments over on that site are just ridiculous. No wonder some kids grow up these days with a sense of entitlement, I genuinely fear for them out there in the big bad world.
 

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hmmm... so you move into a new property and start having parties with loud music until 3am every saturday... but that's ok it's nothing to do with anyone else as long as you are happy? ever heard of "reasonable enjoyment"? obviously the mother had concerns {very legitimate ones as it happens- else why do we have a ratings system in the first place?} ok, so she went about it the wrong way...

tbh no-one in this scenario came out looking good... all they have BOTH done is show the arrogant, inconsiderate "me me me" society we now live in
The party reference is about as relevant as Owen Jones, as was pointed out she had headphones on so your point being? If my kids were looking over someone else's iPad on a train, interfering with their privacy then they'd be suitably told off. My kids know better and would be otherwise engaged with their books or in fact my tablet with headphones as we do on many long distance journeys. I have three kids under five so I'm talking from experience.
 

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I couldn’t think of two more diametrically opposed forums than Mumsnet and RailUK!
 

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Wow! I didn't know about this.

I know there is a lot of disgareement, infactual data and heated argument on these railforums, but never did I think that they were being used for such nefarious purposes. I'm shocked tbh.
It was years ago. They also used other forums but mumsnet being mumsnet only mentioned here. Thankfully the member who did the deeds will spend at least 20 years in prison.
 

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It was years ago. They also used other forums but mumsnet being mumsnet only mentioned here. Thankfully the member who did the deeds will spend at least 20 years in prison.

Just realised that this was before I started using these boards in 2014. I don't look at Mumsnet and ain't about to start lol
 

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Wow! I didn't know about this.

I know there is a lot of disgareement, infactual data and heated argument on these railforums, but never did I think that they were being used for such nefarious purposes. I'm shocked tbh.

Sadly such is the nature of these vile excuse of humans, they will exploit any places they think children may frequent.

As for disgareement, infactual data and heated argument, this place is a library in comparison to some forums. Take a look at politicsforum.co.uk for a classic example!
 

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Trouble is we are not one of those now.

I've always been self conscious of watching a film that has extreme violence, or 'scenes of a sexual nature' on a plane or train. I think I'd stop watching if anyone was near me, and if it was a child then no mum would need to ask. I might turn the device if possible, but when you have some people watching on a laptop with a 14 or 16-inch screen, perhaps on a table then the whole carriage can see it.

I think this is about being considerate of other people, even if I have every right to say 'mind your own business'.

But it someone called me out for playing a game, or reading emails, or anything else then I think I'd switch into that mode very quickly.
 

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What next she'll be demanding someone refrains from eating chocolate biscuits on the train because her children aren't allowed chocolate biscuits.

If the mum gets suitably angry over something like that, offer the child a biscuit...
 

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I find that whenever I watch something on the train it guarantees that there will be a sex scene in it. I usually skip through it out of embarrassment more than anything. Someone suggested Sense-8 to me a while back and that first episode is definitely not train safe.

Like others have pointed out Virgin have some pretty racy films available to anyone via Beam, and there's no law to say you can't watch this stuff in public. It could be classed as a 'public performance' so violating copyright, but unless the City of London police are on the train it's unlikely anyone would care about that aspect.
 

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Everyone is on the autistic spectrum, believe me! I fear that some people don't know how to behave in public society and once they get away with it they really milk it. Remember I said some! If this report is true then this lady with the children had her own agenda and woe betide anyone crossing it.

No, not everyone is on the autistic spectrum. What a peculiar thing to say.
 

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all this talk about mumsnet... is there a version called dadsnet? or are all the dads too busy bringing up their kids while the mums bitch and whine about trivial nonsense on the interweb?
 

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Isn't it a bit different displaying something in a public environment as opposed to watching it in your own home though. As we have heard with regard to the photography argument, you have no right to privacy in a public environment. If you play something that can be considered ' an affront to public decency ' or something that may ' incite hatred ' which can be observed by others in a public place - whether you want them to or not, would you not be open to some kind of charge related to the respective laws on 'public decency' or 'inciting hatred' ?
 

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Isn't it a bit different displaying something in a public environment as opposed to watching it in your own home though. As we have heard with regard to the photography argument, you have no right to privacy in a public environment. If you play something that can be considered ' an affront to public decency ' or something that may ' incite hatred ' which can be observed by others in a public place - whether you want them to or not, would you not be open to some kind of charge related to the respective laws on 'public decency' or 'inciting hatred' ?
I think you would struggle to to argue watching a TV show on the train as an outrage to public decency or inciting hatred. And I can assure you that BTP would not be remotely interested so the point is a bit moot.
 
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Isn't it a bit different displaying something in a public environment as opposed to watching it in your own home though. As we have heard with regard to the photography argument, you have no right to privacy in a public environment. If you play something that can be considered ' an affront to public decency ' or something that may ' incite hatred ' which can be observed by others in a public place - whether you want them to or not, would you not be open to some kind of charge related to the respective laws on 'public decency' or 'inciting hatred' ?

So if I take my laptop / portable DVD player onto a train and proceed to watch "Dambusters"....? Or an episode of "Love Thy Neighbour"?
 

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all this talk about mumsnet... is there a version called dadsnet? or are all the dads too busy bringing up their kids while the mums bitch and whine about trivial nonsense on the interweb?
Isn't the dadsnet equivalent where they dress as Batman and gaffertape themselves to Bigben? ;p
 

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I think the scenario has a pretty simple answer. The mother of the child was free to ask the person to turn off Homeland if she felt it wasn't in the best interest of the child to see it. The woman in turn was free to say no, and that would be that. Then the mother should probably swap seats with the child, and that would be the end of it all. But obviously it didn't turn out like that because the world just isn't that simple and people are some of the most disappointing animals on the planet.

If the viewing material was done on an iPad with ear/headphones and wasn't disturbing anybody, there's no reason to expect them to turn it off just because one individual doesn't want their child seeing it. Never mind of course why the child couldn't just be told to look away or something. Just swap seats with them and the problem's solved. If I were the manager on that train, I'd just tell the mother to deal with it, swap with her child, or just straight up move seats.

Oh and by the way, if you think the woman is selfish for not turning off the iPad, just remember that it goes both ways. One could easily say the mother is selfish for expecting other people to accommodate for her child despite the fact it is not anyone else's responsibility to raise them. Is it just me or is mollycoddling and people expecting everyone to be a babysitter for their children a serious problem nowadays? All in all, I completely side with the iPad user in this scenario.
 

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So if I take my laptop / portable DVD player onto a train and proceed to watch "Dambusters"....? Or an episode of "Love Thy Neighbour"?

If it’s the version of Dambusters where they refer to the squadron’s pet dog by its historically accurate name, you might have a few problems. :D
 
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I find that whenever I watch something on the train it guarantees that there will be a sex scene in it. I usually skip through it out of embarrassment more than anything. Someone suggested Sense-8 to me a while back and that first episode is definitely not train safe.

Like others have pointed out Virgin have some pretty racy films available to anyone via Beam, and there's no law to say you can't watch this stuff in public. It could be classed as a 'public performance' so violating copyright, but unless the City of London police are on the train it's unlikely anyone would care about that aspect.

As there are now numerous ways to legally stream and download films and TV shows, I don't think the public performance side of things could be used unless someone was encouraging and/or charging others to watch it.

To be honest this is all a storm in a teacup. A rather over precious mother has taken offence to someone else, expecting them to molly coddle their child as they obviously do. Talk of getting the Police involved over on preciousonesnet is just plain silly, and quite honestly irresponsible as the Police have far more important matters to attend to. People should be respectful and thoughtful of others, so if watching something that might cause offence take measures to prevent them from seeing it. But at the same time some people need to take themselves and their children off their pedestals, release the world doesn't revolve around them, and take responsibility for keeping their children entertained.
 
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