Viewing material on ipad - whose right/wrong and would the BTP get involved

[hooverboy]

I wonder how those responding on mumsnet would react travelling on many medium & long distance flights that offer a wide variety of video entertainment on their flights? Whilst someone using a personal device could turn it slightly to prevent a child next to them seeing the content, on a plane the screen (in economy at least) would be build into the seat in front.

quite.

add to that,that it would not be the responsibility of the passenger in that case.It would be the responsibility of the airline to make sure such broadcasts are within the bounds of taste and decency.
I am quite sure that scenario has been discussed at length as the airline will be paying PRS/Royaties etc for the privilege of public screening.

 

[Darandio]

Now *that* would have been met with "I understand why you might not want your child to see an 18 film on my tablet, but it's really none of your business what games I choose to play. If you don't like it, I'm afraid you will have to move to sit elsewhere".

Which is far more polite than I think I could be. I'm quite often polite, far too much according to others but if this happened to me i'm not sure how politely I could tell her to go and do one.

 

[RPI]

If it happened on a train I was on I'd have put the woman with the iPad in 1st class and made a point of it. If you're there minding your own business especially with headphones on then it's got nothing to do with the other passengers

 

[Teflon Lettuce]

If it happened on a train I was on I'd have put the woman with the iPad in 1st class and made a point of it. If you're there minding your own business especially with headphones on then it's got nothing to do with the other passengers

hmmm... so you move into a new property and start having parties with loud music until 3am every saturday... but that's ok it's nothing to do with anyone else as long as you are happy? ever heard of "reasonable enjoyment"? obviously the mother had concerns {very legitimate ones as it happens- else why do we have a ratings system in the first place?} ok, so she went about it the wrong way...

tbh no-one in this scenario came out looking good... all they have BOTH done is show the arrogant, inconsiderate "me me me" society we now live in

 

[Darandio]

hmmm... so you move into a new property and start having parties with loud music until 3am every saturday... but that's ok it's nothing to do with anyone else as long as you are happy? ever heard of "reasonable enjoyment"? obviously the mother had concerns {very legitimate ones as it happens- else why do we have a ratings system in the first place?} ok, so she went about it the wrong way...

tbh no-one in this scenario came out looking good... all they have BOTH done is show the arrogant, inconsiderate "me me me" society we now live in

Even when she asked her to turn off Candy Crush?

 

[Teflon Lettuce]

Even when she asked her to turn off Candy Crush?

where does candy crush come into it? As far as I'm aware the argument was over an episode of Homeland

 

[Darandio]

where does candy crush come into it? As far as I'm aware the argument was over an episode of Homeland

From Mumsnet (was linked on page 1) where the whole story originated.

Then, about 20 minutes left to go, was killing time playing candy crush - again with head phones on. This time she asked me not to as her kids wanted to play it and she didn't allow it and it would upset them.

 

[14xxDave]

where does candy crush come into it? As far as I'm aware the argument was over an episode of Homeland

To start with but the person went on to ask her to stop playing Candy Crush as her kids wanted to play it but she didn't allow it and it would upset them.

Now I would think this very strange but in my dealings with people, strange is much more common than you think. You really do get people like this in the normal walk of life.

I'm not going to say who is correct but I will say that an awful lot of people have no "people skills"

D.

 

[AverageTD]

Homeland I can understand, not to turn it off but to angle the screen away but Candy Crush, really? There was 20mins left on a journey and surely the mother had a phone and if the kids were that desperate just install it there. Or perhaps tell her kids that you can’t just play on a strangers phone randomly. Surely there are other ways to make this work without making a massive deal about it.

 

[BrendaRobinson]

I have no idea what "Homeland" is but if you want to watch "porn" on a tablet/phone/laptop then surely you'd head for somewhere like xHamster?

I'm guessing the "porn" in "Homeland" is anything but "porn".

 

[cle]

I do cringe sometimes on planes when there is a sex scene or graphic violence, but then again, it’s available on the IFE so fair game.

In this case, I’d probably have told the woman to police her kid better, or swap. Factor in the woman’s favour is that she was there first, and had headphones on. Angle of the iPad, who knows. But either way, mind your own business and don’t take your children on *public transport* if quite normal public activities freak you out (watching Homeland is NOT hardcore porn and quite reasonable), and your own parenting strength is so fragile.

 

[Teflon Lettuce]

To start with but the person went on to ask her to stop playing Candy Crush as her kids wanted to play it but she didn't allow it and it would upset them.

Now I would think this very strange but in my dealings with people, strange is much more common than you think. You really do get people like this in the normal walk of life.

I'm not going to say who is correct but I will say that an awful lot of people have no "people skills"

D.

I agree about the strangeness of people... but {and we can't know so this is speculation} maybe the mother is autistic in some way?

To give an example of this from my bus driving experience... I used to drive a route where one of the regulars was severely disabled by asperger's. Everything was fine as long as she could the nearside seat at the front to herself... and she would chat happily to everyone on the bus... she was very well liked... all the regulars knew her and were happy to let her have the seat to herself... the problem came when a stranger got on the bus and tried to sit next to her.... scream the place down would really be an apt description of what happened.... along with shrieks of "I've got asperger's" it really did terrify her having someone sitting next to her... usually at this point the person would look oddly at her, mumble an apology and sit somewhere else... if they didn't she wasn't shy about literally thumping them... more than once though I actually had to throw someone off the bus because they would then proceed to start arguing and shouting abuse at her... at which point, as you can imagine, it became impossible to drive the bus safely.

Now my point is this... us humans are MEANT to be social creatures... if you're on a train you are in a public space, so should do your utmost to make sure that those sharing the space with you feel as comfortable as possible.... and just because someone is, in your view, being unreasonable does not excuse you being rude or abusive... after all... you don't really know why they are the way they are... it could be that they really can't help it!

 

[14xxDave]

I agree about the strangeness of people... but {and we can't know so this is speculation} maybe the mother is autistic in some way

Everyone is on the autistic spectrum, believe me! I fear that some people don't know how to behave in public society and once they get away with it they really milk it. Remember I said some! If this report is true then this lady with the children had her own agenda and woe betide anyone crossing it.

 

[route:oxford]

hmmm... so you move into a new property and start having parties with loud music until 3am every saturday... but that's ok it's nothing to do with anyone else as long as you are happy?

As long as they don't mind me playing my bagpipes from 6am to 7am.

 

[joncombe]

If I know that something is graphically explicit, then I'm going to be mindful of my surroundings - but for the most part, I would expect to be able to watch shows like "Homeland" or "Game of Thrones" that have an 16+ or 18+ rating, so long as I'm not forcing a small child to watch it. Unless you're not wearing headphones, then it might be a problem if people can hear what is being said.

The diplomatic solution would have just been to have the mother swap seats with the child, rather than make a big deal about it and then rile-up social media.

This is my view too. Virgin Trains have "Beam" on their trains and there are often 18 rated films available on there. So if a similar situation happened when watching an 18 rated film on Beam I doubt it would be reasonable for the guard to then insist you stopped using a service the TOC was advertising and encourating people to use! Yes tilting the screen if possible is a reasonable compromise (but this can also sometimes lead to reflections making it unwatchable, so it depends on the circumstances).

I'm afraid if you look at what other people are watching or read what other people are reading you might sometimes see things you'd rather not. That's life just as you might see things you'd rather not outside!

 

[matt_world2004]

If someone asked me to turn off my ipad because of their children they would be told they chose to have children. i should not be expected to abide by the consequence of that decision.

 

[bussnapperwm]

Apparently we're awful according to mumsnet. There again the users there are a few carriages short of a Class 139!

 

[14xxDave]

Apparently we're awful according to mumsnet. There again the users there are a few carriages short of a Class 139!

As in 'we at Rail UK' ?

 

[BrendaRobinson]

If someone asked me to turn off my ipad because of their children they would be told they chose to have children. i should not be expected to abide by the consequence of that decision.

Alas, we're a long way past that as a society.

My husband and I seldom frequent restaurants these days simply because of the screaming brats running amok in those establishments.

I'm sure the moment one of the aforesaid brats careers into a waitress carrying a bowl of piping hot soup and ends up with it all over his/her head then the mum will be all over Facebook with her indignation.

This country really, really is messed up.

 

[bussnapperwm]

As in 'we at Rail UK' ?

Yes. Nice to know isn't it

 

[14xxDave]

Alas, we're a long way past that as a society.

My husband and I seldom frequent restaurants these days simply because of the screaming brats running amok in those establishments.

I'm sure the moment one of the aforesaid brats careers into a waitress carrying a bowl of piping hot soup and ends up with it all over his/her head then the mum will be all over Facebook with her indignation.

This country really, really is messed up.

I so agree. I was taken into restaurants and pubs from an early age to have meal and I was told to behave. No running around etc and certainly never allowed to remove my shoes!

D.

 

[14xxDave]

Yes. Nice to know isn't it

Oooo can I join to watch?

D.

 

[FQTV]

I wonder how those responding on mumsnet would react travelling on many medium & long distance flights that offer a wide variety of video entertainment on their flights? Whilst someone using a personal device could turn it slightly to prevent a child next to them seeing the content, on a plane the screen (in economy at least) would be build into the seat in front.

Each airline and/or their InFlight Entertainment provider has a strict set of rules regarding content. ElAl (Israeli Airlines) are known as having about the most stringent rules about what can and can't be shown. Singapore is fairly strict on certain themes, as is Garuda. The need for policy goes back to when airlines first began to offer 'Mainscreen' projected and then overhead entertainment. It's why 'Mr Bean' films were, for years, some of the most popular IFE content.

With the exception of things like 'Mr Bean,' almost all airline IFE films have always edited to a greater or lesser extent, precisely to avoid causing issues. It doesn't matter that it may still show its BBFC (or other) rating - it won't be the same as watching at the cinema. Some airline edits are up to about 15% shorter than the cinema version.

Now that seat back and individual screens are prevalent, some of the editing policies have been relaxed on certain carriers, but the seat back and individual screens also feature lenticular filters, which means that they can generally only be viewed in direct line-of-sight.

Filtering and dimming is also used as screens, particularly with moving images and 'flashes' are highly-disruptive on night flights when the house lights are down and passengers wish to rest.

So, there's far less likely to be a reaction to IFE on an aircraft, precisely because it's controlled.

Personally, I see less in this about the professionally-offended, and more (potentially) about the increasing numbers of people who seem to behave in public as if they're in a private bubble, with either no awareness of or no care for how their behaviour affects others - from earphoned zombies to the guy watching porn in the British Airways Lounge at Copenhagen last time I was there.

 

[mafeu]

Sounds as if woman with IPad trying to enjoy her show in peace until child decided to be nosy. Rather than admonish her little cherub, mother decides to berate.

Re ratings system: to raise a nation of prudes

hmmm... so you move into a new property and start having parties with loud music until 3am every saturday... but that's ok it's nothing to do with anyone else as long as you are happy? ever heard of "reasonable enjoyment"? obviously the mother had concerns {very legitimate ones as it happens- else why do we have a ratings system in the first place?} ok, so she went about it the wrong way...

tbh no-one in this scenario came out looking good... all they have BOTH done is show the arrogant, inconsiderate "me me me" society we now live in

 

[westv]

I have no idea what "Homeland" is but if you want to watch "porn" on a tablet/phone/laptop then surely you'd head for somewhere like xHamster?

I'm guessing the "porn" in "Homeland" is anything but "porn".

C4 9pm Sundays "must watch drama". New series due Feb 19. Can't wait!

 

[londonbridge]

On the train last Friday morning when I discovered one of my favourite artists was being interviewed on the radio. Didn't have any headphones but tuned in on my phone, then turned the volume down and held the phone to my ear as though making a call, so I could still hear the broadcast, but said to the woman sitting next to me to tell me if it was too loud. Consideration for others is the way to go, so agre that instead of telling her to stop watching it, the mother should have asked the woman to make the screen less visible to the child.

 

[Harbornite]

I’d generally agree with this.

Although, in my opinion, it was incredibly rude and presumptuous of the mother to ask a complete stranger, sitting in a public place and minding their own business, to switch it off. Some parents need to learn that the world doesn’t revolve around them and their children.

It would have been better for the mother and the children to have simply moved to other seats. Personally I’d find it incredibly irritating to have a child (or anyone else) sitting next to me watching my device.

This sums up my thoughts on the matter.

 

[Sirius]

Some people, like that mother, just need to get a life and stop complaining about things that don't concern them. If I want to watch a film like Die Hard, carry on writing my erotic fiction novel, or view a program like Homeland on a train, as long as I've got headphones in and the wireless internet connection will allow it, I will, complaint or no complaint.

As long as I'm acting within the law, then they can either like it or lump it.

If you are watching Die Hard then the biggest question is whether you think it's a Christmas movie or not

I agree with what has been said in the thread so far about the parent swapping into that seat, or asking the other person to tilt it the other way. Homeland airs at 9pm in the UK, which while obviously past the watershed doesn't make it 18 rated material or grossly offensive in any way. Except Claire Danes acting maybe.

 

[DPWH]

Apparently we're awful according to mumsnet. There again the users there are a few carriages short of a Class 139!

You could always suggest they take the train to Center Parcs.

 

[Mutant Lemming]

Metro poll?

I think the 'newspaper' bit may be more contentious