Great Western Livery

[PHILIPE]

Amend 150202 to New GWR Livery. Arrived back at PM from Doncaster last night. Thanks

 

[fgwrich]

Amend 150202 to New GWR Livery. Arrived back at PM from Doncaster last night. Thanks

Good, that confirms that 202 / 216 are staying, with potential for 212 to be staying as well once rebuilt with a new lav & conversion to 52xxx car.

 

[PHILIPE]

Good, that confirms that 202 / 216 are staying, with potential for 212 to be staying as well once rebuilt with a new lav & conversion to 52xxx car.

Presumably still with 3+2 Seating

 

[superalbs]

Amend 150202 to New GWR Livery. Arrived back at PM from Doncaster last night. Thanks

Interesting to note that, like the Class 150/0s, the front door by the cab is in green, rather than silver as it is on the rest.

 

[spark001uk]

Interesting to note that, like the Class 150/0s, the front door by the cab is in green, rather than silver as it is on the rest.

It's not the only class they do that on. It's done primarily to disguise it to the passengers, ie that this is not a door for public use.

 

[Bletchleyite]

It's not the only class they do that on. It's done primarily to disguise it to the passengers, ie that this is not a door for public use.

Except on a /2 coupled to another gangwayed unit it is a passenger door! Not a common use case, though, and probably a sensible move.


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[fgwrich]

Interesting to note that, like the Class 150/0s, the front door by the cab is in green, rather than silver as it is on the rest.

It's not the only class they do that on. It's done primarily to disguise it to the passengers, ie that this is not a door for public use.

Except on a /2 coupled to another gangwayed unit it is a passenger door! Not a common use case, though, and probably a sensible move.


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It's a bit of an odd one, and another little anomaly on the FGW Fleet. All the Wessex, Local Lines & first versions of the Plain Blue 150/2s had the crew door painted in the same livery as the bodyside to as you say, distinguish it from being a standard passenger door.

Then, in the last round of repaints in FGW Blue, the crew door started to be painted Rubine Red to match the passenger saloon doors. This seems to have continued through the First GWR Repaints - Oddly stopping on this unit.

 

[superalbs]

It's a bit of an odd one, and another little anomaly on the FGW Fleet. All the Wessex, Local Lines & first versions of the Plain Blue 150/2s had the crew door painted in the same livery as the bodyside to as you say, distinguish it from being a standard passenger door.

Then, in the last round of repaints in FGW Blue, the crew door started to be painted Rubine Red to match the passenger saloon doors. This seems to have continued through the First GWR Repaints - Oddly stopping on this unit.

It could be that Doncaster was following the same painting specification for the Class 150/0s, thus resulting in the front door being treated as non-passenger door and being painted green. Although the photos I have seen don't show the word 'Private' on the door, so I don't know.

 

[96tommy]

I went on a refurbed 166 the other night from Reading to Paddington and noticed lots of the seat backs weren't attached to the seats itself. Is this a common problem on the fleet what have been refurbished?

 

[59CosG95]

I went on a refurbed 166 the other night from Reading to Paddington and noticed lots of the seat backs weren't attached to the seats itself. Is this a common problem on the fleet what have been refurbished?

Not sure on that score, but Deepgreen will definitely take note if he hasn't done so already!

 

[spark001uk]

Dunno but I'm pretty sure this one I was on yesterday is somewhat in need of an interior Refurb!
If memory still serves I think it was either 165130 or 118.

 

[fgwrich]

I went on a refurbed 166 the other night from Reading to Paddington and noticed lots of the seat backs weren't attached to the seats itself. Is this a common problem on the fleet what have been refurbished?

If it's the fully refurbish Turbo then it does seem to be a problem on the refurbished stuff - LA15 still has a lot of it's seat backs lose in the Grammer seats, despite being refurbished well over a year ago.

Dunno but I'm pretty sure this one I was on yesterday is somewhat in need of an interior Refurb!
If memory still serves I think it was either 165130 or 118.

Sadly it's becoming a common scene in some of the Turbos now! That just has ripped moquette on it's side panel, one I had last week had the trim between the window and this panel completely missing. And don't look at the floors either!

 

[sd0733]

Good, that confirms that 202 / 216 are staying, with potential for 212 to be staying as well once rebuilt with a new lav & conversion to 52xxx car.

With northern forming up 3car 150s and I believe taking the toilet out the centre cars would it not be logical to swap those 2 coaches with a 2car northern 150/2 to save 1 vehicle having to have a toilet fitted while others are taken out. I know they've got to have new ones anyway but must still be quite a lot of plumbing and pipework missing on a non toilet car

 

[greaterwest]

I went on a refurbed 166 the other night from Reading to Paddington and noticed lots of the seat backs weren't attached to the seats itself. Is this a common problem on the fleet what have been refurbished?

I can certainly confirm this is an issue with 166205 (the one with the interior refurb) - the cushions are slightly smaller and slightly less square.

As for the HST, it was holding up well last time I used it, though that was last year.

 

[387star]

Dunno but I'm pretty sure this one I was on yesterday is somewhat in need of an interior Refurb!
If memory still serves I think it was either 165130 or 118.

that's bad! someone said tables are being ripped off walls too?

 

[96tommy]

I can certainly confirm this is an issue with 166205 (the one with the interior refurb) - the cushions are slightly smaller and slightly less square.

As for the HST, it was holding up well last time I used it, though that was last year.

Thats the one, didn't realise only 1 had been done

 

[spark001uk]

that's bad! someone said tables are being ripped off walls too?

The rip in the wall carpet you can see, is where a ledge table used to be.

 

[PHILIPE]

With northern forming up 3car 150s and I believe taking the toilet out the centre cars would it not be logical to swap those 2 coaches with a 2car northern 150/2 to save 1 vehicle having to have a toilet fitted while others are taken out. I know they've got to have new ones anyway but must still be quite a lot of plumbing and pipework missing on a non toilet car

The present toilets have all got to be ripped out and replaced with new ones and CET Tanks to comply with PRM Regulations.

 

[fgwrich]

The present toilets have all got to be ripped out and replaced with new ones and CET Tanks to comply with PRM Regulations.

Shouldn't be too much of a Problem for Wabtec anyway, they've just installed and moved toilets around in the 32X fleets anyway, not least the ex LM321/4s for ScotRail.

 

[spark001uk]

I think they're even scrapping the older gravity-fed CET toilets now in favour of vacuum ones aren't they. The 158/159 refurbs are an example of this.

 

[83G/84D]

43194 has quickly returned to service.It is now in Plymouth with an all green set and 43188.Due to work 1542 Plymouth to Paddington via Bristol.

 

[Parallel]

Good, that confirms that 202 / 216 are staying, with potential for 212 to be staying as well once rebuilt with a new lav & conversion to 52xxx car.

Carriages 212 and 209 have been fitted with wifi so I'd assume they're staying. I wish they'd change the seating and add tables in though - that applies to 150202 and 150216 as well!

 

[PHILIPE]

Carriages 212 and 209 have been fitted with wifi so I'd assume they're staying. I wish they'd change the seating and add tables in though - that applies to 150202 and 150216 as well!

The seating cannot be changed to 2+2 if that's what you mean. When they were transferred in together with the 150/1s, the DFT specified by quoting the number of seats. They could then say we are providing an additional XXX number of seats in order to give a good impression.

 

[iantherev]

There must be a period beyond which this doesn't apply. Otherwise no- one could ever change anything.

Presumably seats had to be altered to put the PSVAR bog in.

 

[fgwrich]

Carriages 212 and 209 have been fitted with wifi so I'd assume they're staying. I wish they'd change the seating and add tables in though - that applies to 150202 and 150216 as well!

Good, I reckon that confirms 212 then as a future GWR 150/2 again then.

There must be a period beyond which this doesn't apply. Otherwise no- one could ever change anything.

Presumably seats had to be altered to put the PSVAR bog in.

Not quite as such sadly, as both the prototype 150/0s, Northerns 150s and the 319s have shown. They just take out a few of the double rows leaving singular seats, along with a random facing seat as well.

I'd like to hope that one day they'll be brought up to standard though to match the Ex Wessex /2s, otherwise it'll remain a little disappointing to see those to remain as such. There must be enough of those Chapman seats out there In storage!

 

[Deepgreen]

I can certainly confirm this is an issue with 166205 (the one with the interior refurb) - the cushions are slightly smaller and slightly less square.

As for the HST, it was holding up well last time I used it, though that was last year.

It certainly seems as if the 166 fleet has been completely abandoned as far as any attempt at passenger information/uniformity is concerned. What a shambles. To those who (and they will) insist that the priority is to keep the trains running; I say - employ people who can spot the huge number of quality control issues and correct them, given that the 'right first time' mantra clearly doesn't exist at GWR, despite their very high profile livery/corporate identity re-launch!

'Broken record' it may be, but the current position with the 166s is diabolical. I've never known a fleet of trains (and therefore their passengers) to have been treated with such disdain by their operator.

 

[455driver]

Good, I reckon that confirms 212 then as a future GWR 150/2 again then.



Not quite as such sadly, as both the prototype 150/0s, Northerns 150s and the 319s have shown. They just take out a few of the double rows leaving singular seats, along with a random facing seat as well.

I'd like to hope that one day they'll be brought up to standard though to match the Ex Wessex /2s, otherwise it'll remain a little disappointing to see those to remain as such. There must be enough of those Chapman seats out there In storage!

None of the refurbished sets have had the cabs modified to Wessex standardso I cant see the interiors being changed, its easy to tell the original spec ones because they have both markers and a headlight lit but the ex Wessex ones only have one marker and a headlight lit.

 

[59CosG95]

I've never known a fleet of trains (and therefore their passengers) to have been treated with such disdain by their operator.

I think Trenitalia's regional fleet of coaches would be in contention for that title. Never seen a country with such a graffiti problem.

 

[Deepgreen]

I think Trenitalia's regional fleet of coaches would be in contention for that title. Never seen a country with such a graffiti problem.

Sorry, I meant in the UK. Yes, Italy has a real issue with graffiti.

 

[FGW_DID]

It certainly seems as if the 166 fleet has been completely abandoned as far as any attempt at passenger information/uniformity is concerned. What a shambles. To those who (and they will) insist that the priority is to keep the trains running; I say - employ people who can spot the huge number of quality control issues and correct them, given that the 'right first time' mantra clearly doesn't exist at GWR, despite their very high profile livery/corporate identity re-launch!

'Broken record' it may be, but the current position with the 166s is diabolical. I've never known a fleet of trains (and therefore their passengers) to have been treated with such disdain by their operator.

All right Victor Meldrew, deep breaths, you'll do yourself a mischief!

Sounds like you're after a job? I'll find out who the sticker contractors are for you and you should apply.

Shall I also let the rest of the team know, we've got it all wrong with the 'keeping the trains running priority', fancy wasting our time making sure there are units to cover the service, heavens forbid!