Scotrail unit 156478's return to service

[Techniquest]

Argh, I thought it was dud but I need it. Hope it's back out when I go up in the summer!

 

[Aws87024]

Not my photos but thought people might be interested to see how the rebuild is progressing.
https://www.flickr.com/search/?text=156478&sort=date-taken-desc&min_taken_date=1462921200

 

[59CosG95]

Not my photos but thought people might be interested to see how the rebuild is progressing.
https://www.flickr.com/search/?text=156478&sort=date-taken-desc&min_taken_date=1462921200

I can't seem to see the rebuild on a numerical search alone-have you got the exact photo URL?

 

[superalbs]

I can't seem to see the rebuild on a numerical search alone-have you got the exact photo URL?

Here they are:
https://flic.kr/p/G9s9vm
https://flic.kr/p/G9rYKu

 

[SpacePhoenix]

https://www.flickr.com/photos/16243112@N08/26349871394/

Is there not going to be a corridor connection for the cab end?

 

[Aws87024]

https://www.flickr.com/photos/16243112@N08/26349871394/

Is there not going to be a corridor connection for the cab end?

Yes there will be. It's not finished yet, the lights and coupling are also missing.

 

[Blindtraveler]

As my username would suggest I cant really appreciate the pictures but do the seats look any good or have we gone ironingboard here?

 

[sprinterguy]

As my username would suggest I cant really appreciate the pictures but do the seats look any good or have we gone ironingboard here?

There's only a couple of external shots, it's not really possible to see if seats are even fitted at this stage. The dark blue base coat suggests that an application of Scotrail saltire vinyls is awaited.

 

[Aws87024]

As my username would suggest I cant really appreciate the pictures but do the seats look any good or have we gone ironingboard here?

You can only see the outside of the unit. It's incomplete, missing the lights, gangway connection and coupler as well as some internal components. It has been painted though into the base for the newer Scot rail livery but has yet to received the vinyls and branding.

 

[Bletchleyite]

Are toilet seats that are 5mm thicker in depth not easily sourced?

5mm washers and stick on rubber feet?

 

[158722]

Not my photos but thought people might be interested to see how the rebuild is progressing.
https://www.flickr.com/search/?text=156478&sort=date-taken-desc&min_taken_date=1462921200

Is it definitely 156478? Isn't 156509 there as well for similar work under the 'normal' ScotRail scheme?

 

[BestWestern]

Is it definitely 156478? Isn't 156509 there as well for similar work under the 'normal' ScotRail scheme?

I don't know what level of work the rest are receiving, but I would be surprised if it involved removing the couplings in particular.

 

[scotraildriver]

509 is at Glasgow works.

 

[Carntyne]

It is 478 in the pictures.

 

[HMS Ark Royal]

Am I correct in assuming that Scotrail will lease the unit?

I know it sounds daft, but can we get a preservation order slapped on this one for when it is withdrawn...? Be nice to preserve the 156 that rose from the grave

 

[sprinterguy]

I know it sounds daft, but can we get a preservation order slapped on this one for when it is withdrawn...? Be nice to preserve the 156 that rose from the grave

Superficially at least (no doubt the electrics and below solebar mechanical equipment were completely shot), 156478 suffered less damage than the 156s involved in the Ais Gill (1995) and Crosby Garrett (1999) collisions on the S&C, units 156490/468 and 156489 respectively: 156490 in particular essentially lost a cab and the more heavily damaged vehicle (52490) was out of service for a fairly protracted period of time IIRC.

Admittedly I don't think that it's wise to preserve something based on the amount of accident damage it's incurred () although, conversely, 156478 might well end up the best of the lot as the unit has been thoroughly stripped down and rebuilt and most of the components fitted to it will be as new.

 

[WillPS]

There was a crossing incident with a lorry in Norfolk not so long ago too involving an NXEA 156 wasn't there? That looked pretty bad.

 

[Blindtraveler]

Having all these incidents in one place makes you realise how robust little things they are

 

[sd0733]

There was a crossing incident with a lorry in Norfolk not so long ago too involving an NXEA 156 wasn't there? That looked pretty bad.

Yes 156417 that hit a tanker on a crossing. That looked pretty bad and was out for a long while.

 

[route:oxford]

Am I correct in assuming that Scotrail will lease the unit?

That is the understanding.

I'm intrigued to know if there was competition between the various operators.

 

[sprinterguy]

Having all these incidents in one place makes you realise how robust little things they are

Yep, the fact that not a single carriage has been written off following some violent collisions, dramatic derailments (the unit at Falls of Cruachan for one) and unexpected submersions suggests that the units are virtually indestructible.

 

[dubscottie]

Think its more to do with the way the body is built.

Met-Cam used simple shells made of standard sections so they could be produced by anyone without having to use special tooling/pressings.

The two 150 vehicles written off had less damage but would have been a nightmare to fix due to the complex structure of a Mk3.

 

[PHILIPE]

Yep, the fact that not a single carriage has been written off following some violent collisions, dramatic derailments (the unit at Falls of Cruachan for one) and unexpected submersions suggests that the units are virtually indestructible.

What about the centre cars added to GWR 150925 and 150926, They are the 57 Cars from 150209 and 150212, the 52 Cars having had to be withdrawn following collisions

 

[fgwrich]

Yep, the fact that not a single carriage has been written off following some violent collisions, dramatic derailments (the unit at Falls of Cruachan for one) and unexpected submersions suggests that the units are virtually indestructible.

Think its more to do with the way the body is built.

Met-Cam used simple shells made of standard sections so they could be produced by anyone without having to use special tooling/pressings.

The two 150 vehicles written off had less damage but would have been a nightmare to fix due to the complex structure of a Mk3.

What about the centre cars added to GWR 150925 and 150926, They are the 57 Cars from 150209 and 150212, the 52 Cars having had to be withdrawn following collisions

Think the reference here is to the 156s though to of which none have yet been scrapped. Those two 150s would have required a fairly major rebuild of their front ends and probably down to the Mk3s monocoque structure was deemed not cost effective enough.

 

[edwin_m]

Classes 158/159 and the Networkers used welded aluminium, which would probably be much harder to repair than any form of steel construction. The 166 that was virtually destroyed at Ladbroke Grove would have been beyond repair whatever the construction, and I don't recall what happened to the 365 from Potters Bar or if any others of that generation have been in major accidents. Nor can I think of any seriously damaged Turbostars and Electrostars, which use a bolted aluminium construction that might allow damaged sections to be unbolted and replaced.

The 455 (with essentially the same body as a 150) damaged by having a cement mixer dropped on it was repaired by substituting a spare body from one of the Class 210 diesel prototypes. So evidently it was cheaper/easier to strip everything off the damaged car and re-install it than to repair the Mk3-based structure.

 

[Crossover]

The 365 at Potters Bar got written off - I think some of it may still be in storage?

 

[gimmea50anyday]

Would make sense, was only the trailing driving car that was damaged, the front 3 cars were largely undamaged.

 

[dubscottie]

The 365 at Potters Bar got written off - I think some of it may still be in storage?

It was/is.Aluminum extrusions are a nightmare to repair.

 

[Techniquest]

I thought I'd read somewhere months back that the remaining vehicle of 365526 was scrapped. Don't quote me on that as I can't remember if it was in a magazine or not now. It certainly doesn't appear in the NREA as it used to.

 

[158722]

509 is at Glasgow works.

I'd forgotten that small detail! 478 it is then...