XC Voyager Refurbishment

[cakefiend]

Indeed. It was due to work 1V48/1S51 tomorrow - this honour now falls to 220008 and 220009.

Any idea if it’ll be back out soon? Not sure how major the work it needs is.

 

[ValentaFan1974]

No idea. I don’t think it’s that time consuming to fix. Possibly tomorrow or Monday at a guess.

 

[havaska]

Ah ok thanks. That doesn’t sound sensible as it leaves 3 wasted coaches. Do they just sit and rot somewhere whilst the network is short of diesel units?

Surely common sense will prevail and the 3 wasted coaches will be given to XC? Just seems so idiotic to waste them.

 

[Ash Bridge]

Surely common sense will prevail and the 3 wasted coaches will be given to XC? Just seems so idiotic to waste them.

Are they not totally incompatable with the XC Voyager fleet though?

 

[SuperS16v]

Just seen the next refurb set leaving Derby towards rivers just now

 

[FGWHST43009]

Are they not totally incompatable with the XC Voyager fleet though?

I think the physical specs are mostly the same, i.e. length, height, width, engines etc. AFAIK they're incompatible due to wiring differences

 

[Amos390]

220027 has/is currently being returned to Central Rivers with 220025 being sent out to Litchurch to be done up.

 

[99009]

Latest update then with thanks to posts in this topic:

220023 - At Derby Litchurch Lane
220025 - At Derby Litchurch Lane
220027 - Refurbished - Departed Derby Litchurch Lane Saturday 28th February 2026
220033 - Refurbished - Departed Derby Litchurch Lane Monday 16th February 2026

The location of 220028 remains a mystery! Central Rivers or Litchurch Lane?

 

[Amos390]

Latest update then with thanks to posts in this topic:

220023 - At Derby Litchurch Lane
220025 - At Derby Litchurch Lane
220027 - Refurbished - Departed Derby Litchurch Lane Saturday 28th February 2026
220033 - Refurbished - Departed Derby Litchurch Lane Monday 16th February 2026

The location of 220028 remains a mystery! Central Rivers or Litchurch Lane?

According to TOPS history, 220028 has been in Central Ricers since Dec

 

[sabanda]

Surely if it was hauled to Litchurch Lane by RailAdventure, it wouldn’t show up on there anyway?

 

[Sparks807Evo]

I think the physical specs are mostly the same, i.e. length, height, width, engines etc. AFAIK they're incompatible due to wiring differences

Correct - think the wiring, software and traction systems are different or have differences.

Surely common sense will prevail and the 3 wasted coaches will be given to XC? Just seems so idiotic to waste them.

Unfortunately Lumo will have no interest in what happens to the 3 unused coaches - at the end of the day, Lumo are only interested in their needs and what they are leasing. It's the ROSCO's issue where they have vehicles not being rented out and is instead sitting idle, earning no money.

 

[sabanda]

Just hoping they sort this out while 033 is out of action!

 

[Amos390]

Surely if it was hauled to Litchurch Lane by RailAdventure, it wouldn’t show up on there anyway?

The 220s only get dragged back from Litchurch, not to it (as was seen in today's move of 220025), and even though it wasn't moved under XC, the unit will still have been allocated and so would turn up (Like was seen with 220027 in attached image)

 

[GoneSouth]

Just hoping they sort this out while 033 is out of action!

What are we looking at? Apologies, can’t see what you mean.

 

[voyagerdude220]

Does anyone know what the fault affecting recently refurbished 220 033 is/are?

 

[Amos390]

Just hoping they sort this out while 033 is out of action!

Ah I see, someone needs to get their eyes checked, the top door sticker looks mildly upside-down...

 

[FrontSideBus]

To be honest it looks better that way as now it looks like you have the C in the X logo for Country...

 

[Russel]

Just hoping they sort this out while 033 is out of action!

Weirdly, I actually like that!

 

[class 9]

Does anyone know what the fault affecting recently refurbished 220 033 is/are?

A faulty TMS(train management system)screen in one of the cabs, a straightforward fix at Central Rivers.

 

[cakefiend]

A faulty TMS(train management system)screen in one of the cabs, a straightforward fix at Central Rivers.

Not out tomorrow by the look of it.

 

[voyagerdude220]

A faulty TMS(train management system)screen in one of the cabs, a straightforward fix at Central Rivers.

Thanks for the info.

 

[GoneSouth]

Ah I see, someone needs to get their eyes checked, the top door sticker looks mildly upside-down...

Ha good spot. I did read another sticker on that photo that says do not put hands on door. Why ever not. I put hands on those doors often to shove them out of my face when they close on me! Terrible design.

 

[The_Train]

The 220s only get dragged back from Litchurch

I believe this is due to a union issue with the refurbishment work (not my original assumption of a route knowledge issue as that was put to bed by them being driven into Litchurch Lane under their own power)

 

[Russel]

I believe this is due to a union issue with the refurbishment work (not my original assumption of a route knowledge issue as that was put to bed by them being driven into Litchurch Lane under their own power)

Why a union issue, I thought this was just a cosmetic refurb though, so why would that have any impact on the driver?

 

[The_Train]

Why a union issue, I thought this was just a cosmetic refurb though, so why would that have any impact on the driver?

I don't know the ins and outs, just something I have heard and would certainly fit with the need to outsource the transfers back from Litchurch Lane to Central Rivers.

Have the drivers seats been changed as part of the refurb the same as the saloon seats have been?

 

[driverd]

I don't know the ins and outs, just something I have heard and would certainly fit with the need to outsource the transfers back from Litchurch Lane to Central Rivers.

Have the drivers seats been changed as part of the refurb the same as the saloon seats have been?

I have no insider knowledge here, but could it not be down to the famous shortage of traincrew at XC, and perhaps that XC have decided its more efficient to focus resource on delivering the timetable?

 

[The_Train]

I have no insider knowledge here, but could it not be down to the famous shortage of traincrew at XC, and perhaps that XC have decided its more efficient to focus resource on delivering the timetable?

They have the crews available to deliver them to Litchurch Lane though

 

[skyhigh]

I believe this is due to a union issue with the refurbishment work (not my original assumption of a route knowledge issue as that was put to bed by them being driven into Litchurch Lane under their own power)

Union issues that mean XC drivers can't drive them back to the home depot but can drive them in service immediately afterwards?

 

[357]

I believe this is due to a union issue with the refurbishment work (not my original assumption of a route knowledge issue as that was put to bed by them being driven into Litchurch Lane under their own power)

Union issues that mean XC drivers can't drive them back to the home depot but can drive them in service immediately afterwards?

"Union Issues" tends to be a term thrown around by those who are guessing.

In my opinion there is no such thing as a union issue, the union might raise an issue related to terms and conditions, safety, rostering etc... but those terms and conditions issues, safety issues, rostering issues etc.

There is one issue I can immediately think of that the union might have raised regarding these moves, but it's relating to facilities at Litchurch Lane rather than the trains themselves, and I'm not going to post it because it's purely a guess on my part.

The reality could be as simple as the return working being a test run of some sort.

 

[The_Train]

Union issues that mean XC drivers can't drive them back to the home depot but can drive them in service immediately afterwards?

Who knows?