WMTrains livery and station branding

[Bletchleyite]

FWIW I think the logo is really clever...it includes quite a few elements, in particular the WM of West Midlands, and the diamonds representing Birmingham's jewellery heritage. It also looks just a bit Moorish (i.e. Muslim) which could be an association with Birmingham being one of the UK's biggest multicultural centres?

By contrast, everything about LNR looks straight out of the 1980s or early 1990s. Though to be fair I'd half expected white with red doors and Abellio branding - I know it's a partnership, but First tends to hide that aspect of their franchises so I thought a fair chance of them taking the same line - though admittedly old Northern didn't. I do however hope we get the grey, white and red Abellio interiors as I think they are really classy, a bit like the Chiltern Clubman interior.

 

[samuelmorris]

Pure conjecture at this point but my expectation is for the interior to be roughly the same scheme as the Anglian units but with the red replaced with the teal/green colour from the LNW livery on the outside. Question is, are the WMR units going to have the same interior?

 

[pt_mad]

Speaking of the class 350 interior. Google 'refurbished class 185 interior'. TPE are refurbishing their 185 Desiro fleet with this new design. It is absolutely superb. I was amazed. The new seat colours make the seats look far more chunky, more like airline style seats. They have recovered the end walls of the coaches in a wood style laminate. Same with the interior vestibules, covered with a wood style laminate.

First class has new leather seats. Looks just like a refurbished MK3 coach.

I only hope LNR have this type of refurb available to them, if it is indeed Siemens that are carrying out the TPE refurbishments as well.

I don't doubt this type of interior would be preferable over a Pendolino.

 

[Bletchleyite]

The best thing they could do to bring them up to the standard of the Class 185 would be to remove about 8 seats per unit and respace in the centre sections so the seats are all window aligned and spaced the same as the end sections. They'd definitely beat a Pendolino then.

 

[Domh245]

There is a question that needs asking though - are LNR trying to go for a premium/intercity operator look/feel, or are they going to be happy to settle for less? TPE are trying to go from something of a commuter operation to a properly intercity one (at least in terms of stock and layout) - I'm not so sure that LNR need to do similar, something like the GA Aventra interior would be sufficient. Unless of course the 350s (and the long distance Aventras) form a sort of LNR express, but I don't think that there are enough suburban Aventras ordered to allow for that kind of separation.

 

[59CosG95]

Branding update: 323206, 323216, 323220 and 323221 have WMR branding overlaying the LM livery. 170513 also has this, while 170511 and 170633 are devoid of transfers.

 

[pt_mad]

There is a question that needs asking though - are LNR trying to go for a premium/intercity operator look/feel, or are they going to be happy to settle for less? TPE are trying to go from something of a commuter operation to a properly intercity one (at least in terms of stock and layout) - I'm not so sure that LNR need to do similar, something like the GA Aventra interior would be sufficient. Unless of course the 350s (and the long distance Aventras) form a sort of LNR express, but I don't think that there are enough suburban Aventras ordered to allow for that kind of separation.

Although the 350s could do with new first class seats, whatever happens. And if you're re upholstering seats, replacing carpets and replacing vinyls on the doors, covering the ends of the coaches with a wood style plastic wouldn't be a huge job but improves the look dramatically.

Bearing in mind the 350/1s and 3s will probably for the most part be on Euston to Crewe services as Aventras are the 350/2 replacement I believe.

Please correct if that's wrong.

 

[61653 HTAFC]

I would definitely be inclined to say that it was orange, almost a 'hi-vis jacket' shade of orange. I agree a gold colour would work much better in contrasting with the purple, and make it look less similar to London Overground - I'd be leaning towards a shade more similar to this.

It's like that dress all over again!

Agree with the sentiment about the 185 refurbishment. That is now the benchmark for interiors, I feel.

 

[BucksBones]

Speaking of the class 350 interior. Google 'refurbished class 185 interior'. TPE are refurbishing their 185 Desiro fleet with this new design. It is absolutely superb. I was amazed. The new seat colours make the seats look far more chunky, more like airline style seats. They have recovered the end walls of the coaches in a wood style laminate. Same with the interior vestibules, covered with a wood style laminate.

First class has new leather seats. Looks just like a refurbished MK3 coach.

I only hope LNR have this type of refurb available to them, if it is indeed Siemens that are carrying out the TPE refurbishments as well.

I don't doubt this type of interior would be preferable over a Pendolino.

https://www.railforums.co.uk/threads/abellio-wins-west-midlands-franchise.151904/

The exact same conversation is going on in two places. Just saying...!

 

[E_Reeves]

350373 on 1U38 tonight. http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/P64320/2018/01/20/advanced

 

[59CosG95]

A friend of mine who works at King's Heath Depot informed me that "King's Heath don't do the relivery work, but the work is done at King's Heath", revealing that 350373's paint/vinyl job was done by an external contractor in one of the sidings at the depot. He also let slip that, as a result of this, he doesn't quite know when the next unit will be done...

 

[sufian123]

A friend of mine who works at King's Heath Depot informed me that "King's Heath don't do the relivery work, but the work is done at King's Heath", revealing that 350373's paint/vinyl job was done by an external contractor in one of the sidings at the depot. He also let slip that, as a result of this, he doesn't quite know when the next unit will be done...

Interesting. Usually repaint happens when the trains goes through heavy maintenance, that’ll be our likely bet.

 

[59CosG95]

Interesting. Usually repaint happens when the trains goes through heavy maintenance, that’ll be our likely bet.

As the repaint is externally contracted, and I don't know which 350 is up next for a big exam, all I can say is that chance would be a fine thing.

 

[sufian123]

As the repaint is externally contracted, and I don't know which 350 is up next for a big exam, all I can say is that chance would be a fine thing.

I understand. This’ll be interesting. Off topic this is how virgin is repainting pendos as well at heavy maintenance.

 

[JordyWM]

So we still have only one train in each brand in the new colours?

I wasn’t expecting a mass repainting, but I thought at least for WMR we would have had at least one more by now.

 

[pt_mad]

So we still have only one train in each brand in the new colours?

I wasn’t expecting a mass repainting, but I thought at least for WMR we would have had at least one more by now.

Perhaps LNR stickers will be applied to 350s soon.

 

[Old Hill Bank]

Perhaps LNR stickers will be applied to 350s soon.

No point in spending a load of cash if they are due a C6 soon.

 

[pt_mad]

No point in spending a load of cash if they are due a C6 soon.

Although didn't Virgin East Coast apply stickers to all power cars pretty quick. And the full livery came gradually later.

 

[Silverlink]

Just seen a 350 at Bletchley sidings with LNW sticker applied on the sides. It suits the unit with the LM livery tbh

 

[TwinTurbostar]

The LNW liveried 350 was out on the Wolverhampton - Walsall local again this morning, spotted it leaving Tipton towards Wolverhampton.

 

[DavidGrain]

Seems gold to me. (An orangey gold, I won't deny, but it's not as strong of an orange as the first renders made it out to be).

For those who don't like the West Midlands Railways livery, This is how they were supposed to look according to West Midlands Rail, the Rail Authority for the West Midlands, as announced a year ago in January 2017. I called that Black and Gold and obviously designed by a Wolverhampton Wonders supporter.

 

[whhistle]

I think it's the weird angle of the puple at the coach ends that makes them look much shorter than they really are. Scotrail is fine as it's just dots, but this... it's just not a good look I don't think.

It's a shame they didn't take advantage of the non-yellow fronts option to make it a much bigger difference. Yes, I'm aware the current light configuration isn't valid, but it could be with a little tweaking - all the parts are there.

 

[pt_mad]

350116:

Now has 'London Northwestern Railway. Operated by West Midlands Trains' decals/stickers, on all coach exteriors, where London Midland used to be displayed.

 

[XCTurbostar]

Does anyone know if any of the 319s have received stickers yet?

 

[Bletchleyite]

350116:

Now has 'London Northwestern Railway. Operated by West Midlands Trains' decals/stickers, on all coach exteriors, where London Midland used to be displayed.

Saw one of those last night, it looks really good compared with the new livery. Effort has been put into matching the colour and sticking them on straight, and that makes all the difference (unlike a lot of station sign rebrands elsewhere).

 

[sufian123]

350121 has the sticker on it

 

[ForTheLoveOf]

350267 has the LNR | operated by WMT stickets (still the old LM livery's base). On 2W08 (08:09 BHM-WVH) and following diagrams.

 

[59CosG95]

In the absence of TT-OTR-NRN, during his "sent to Coventry" period, I'll take the list over and hand it back to him on his return.

Class 139:
001: LM livery
WMR logos and branding.

002: LM livery
WMR logos and branding.

Class 150:
105: LM livery

107: LM livery

109: LM livery
WMR logos and branding.

Class 153:
334: LM livery
WMR logos and branding.

354: LM livery

356: LM livery

364: LM livery
WMR logos and branding.

365: LM livery

366: LM livery
WMR logos and branding.

371: LM livery

375: LM livery
WMR logos and branding.

Class 170:
170/5s
501: LM livery

502: LM livery

503: LM livery
WMR logos and branding.

504: LM livery

505: LM livery

506: LM livery

507: LM livery

508: LM livery

509: LM livery

510: LM livery

511: LM livery
WMR logos and branding.

512: LM livery

513: LM livery
WMR logos and branding.

514: LM livery

515: LM livery

516: LM livery

517: LM livery
WMR logos and branding.

170/6s
630: LM livery

631: LM livery

632: LM livery

633: LM livery

634: LM livery

635: LM livery


Class 172:
172/2s
211: LM livery

212: LM livery

213: LM livery
WMR logos and branding.

214: LM livery

215: LM livery
WMR logos and branding.

216: LM livery

217: LM livery
WMR logos and branding.

218: LM livery

219: LM livery

220: LM livery

221: LM livery

222: LM livery

172/3s
331: LM livery

332: LM livery

333: LM livery

334: LM livery

335: LM livery

336: LM livery

337: LM livery

338: LM livery

339: Full WMR livery. Yellow front still present.

340: LM livery

341: LM livery

342: LM livery

343: LM livery

344: LM livery

345: LM livery


Class 319:
013: LM livery

216: LM livery

429: LM livery

433: LM livery

441: LM livery

457: LM livery
with white front panels

460: LM livery

Class 323:
201: LM livery
WMR logos and branding.
202: LM livery
WMR logos and branding.
203: LM livery

204: LM livery

205: LM livery
WMR logos and branding.
206: LM livery
WMR logos and branding.

207: LM livery
WMR logos and branding.
208: LM livery

209: LM livery
WMR logos and branding.
210: LM livery

211: LM livery

212: LM livery

213: LM livery

214: LM livery

215: LM livery

216: LM livery
WMR logos and branding.

217: LM livery

218: LM livery

219: LM livery
WMR logos and branding.
220: LM livery
WMR logos and branding.

221: LM/BTP livery
WMR logos and branding.

222: LM livery
WMR logos and branding.

240: LM livery
WMR logos and branding.
241: LM livery

242: LM livery
WMR logos and branding.
243: LM livery
WMR logos and branding.

Class 350:
350/1s
101: LM livery

102: LM livery

103: LM livery
LNWR logos and branding.

104: LM livery

105: LM livery

106: LM livery

107: LM livery

108: LM livery

109: LM livery

110: LM "Project 110" livery

111: LM livery

112: LM livery

113: LM livery

114: LM livery

115: LM livery

116: LM livery
LNWR logos and branding.

117: LM livery

118: LM livery

119: LM livery

120: LM livery

121: LM livery
LNWR logos and branding.

122: LM livery

123: LM livery

124: LM livery

125: LM livery

126: LM livery

127: LM livery

128: LM livery

129: LM livery

130: LM livery

350/2s
231: LM livery

232: LM livery

233 (3/4s of 233 + 1/4 of 246): LM livery
LNWR logos and branding.
234: LM livery

235: LM livery

236: LM livery

237: LM livery

238: LM livery

239: LM livery with full LM branding.

240: LM livery

241: LM livery

242: LM livery

243: LM livery

244: LM livery

245: LM livery

246: LM livery

247: LM livery

248: LM livery

249: LM livery
LNWR logos and branding.

250: LM livery

251: LM livery

252: LM livery

253: LM livery

254: LM livery with full LM branding.

255: LM livery

256: LM livery

257: LM livery

258: LM livery

259: LM livery

260: LM livery

261: LM livery

262: LM livery

263: LM livery

264: LM livery (but not yet back in service).

265: LM livery

266: LM livery

267: LM livery
LNWR logos and branding.

350/3s
368: LM livery

369: LM livery

370: LM livery

371: LM livery

372: LM livery
LNWR logos and branding.

373: Full London Northwestern Railway livery. Yellow fronts still present.

374: LM livery

375: LM livery

376: LM livery

377: LM livery

172/0s, 230s, 350/4s and new design stock are set to join the fleet as the franchise progresses. As these trains are introduced the 150s, 153s, 170s, 323s and 350/2s will leave the franchise.
This is your WM Livery update.


59CosG95 (in the absence of TT-ONR-NRN)

 

[Darkinsider]

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[Class313:)]

Purple....is just not really the colour for a train. Possible exception of Firstgroup, but apart from that...