LOL The Irony
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Reminds me of the CEP's. My personal favourite is the first one & the full green with yellow gangway.
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Bletchleyite
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If there’s one thing LM did VERY right it was the branding and “look and feel”, right up to the end and saying goodbye. With that they managed to make Abellio et all look really sloppy.
This x2... Used them on and off from Liverpool to Birmingham. Any dealings with them were always professional, prompt and fuss free. Delay-repays were no problem. Trains and stations looked good and the "goodbye" email was a nice touch at the end. Let's hope the new set up is as good.
atsf_fT
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West midlands railway , operated by West midland trains ! That will confuse some passengers .
The chocolate bar has been in service a lot
The chocolate bar has been in service a lot
backontrack
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I really like the Northwestern livery on that 350 in the first post - the three-tone green looks very sophisticated, and I like what they've done with the front end. The mock-up of the 172 didn't look so good but having seen 'live' pictures such as the one above it really looks a lot better.
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backontrack
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Haha! They'd better stick a Fruit & Nut logo on the side...
JordyWM
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Are expecting any more trains with the new liveries soon? Are there any currently being done?
Tim R-T-C
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A little late, but this was 350373 at Euston on its first day of operation:
London Northwestern 350373 at Euston by Timothy Young, on Flickr
London Northwestern 350373 at Euston by Timothy Young, on Flickr
Bletchleyite
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A little late, but this was 350373 at Euston on its first day of operation:
London Northwestern 350373 at Euston by Timothy Young, on Flickr
The more I see that, the more I think it just looks a bit rubbish (basically as I said above like the whole thing so far). They couldn't even be bothered to centre the unit number over the window, it's too busy, and it's overbranded (the W appears three times in some form, two is the most you can really get away with - same issue as SWR).
As the yellow draws attention to the gangway it really shows that they couldn't be bothered painting the scuffed bit, too.
OTOH I quite like the West Midlands "Cadbury's" livery - but then "wmtrains" didn't design that.
It appears some of the mockups of potential changes to the livery have been moved here:
https://www.railforums.co.uk/thread...d-make-to-liveries-to-make-them-nicer.157358/
For those who might want to view them again.
https://www.railforums.co.uk/thread...d-make-to-liveries-to-make-them-nicer.157358/
For those who might want to view them again.
birchesgreen
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Why didn't they repaint the gangway, seems an odd thing to miss out for the "launch" vehicle.
sprinterguy
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Because there remains a minimum area yellow warning panel requirement on all stock that has not been modified to have, or is unable to be fitted with, compliant headlights.
Bletchleyite
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I think he means (and I do mean) the ugly scuffing visible on the right hand side of it, not the yellow.
sprinterguy
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Ah, gotcha.
In which case probably because the whole livery is, as I understand it, a vinyl wrap, no paint required. Though you'd expect there to be a few tins of black paint knocking around the depot...
birchesgreen
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Yes i meant the scuffing, seems a weird omission.
sufian123
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A little late, but this was 350373 at Euston on its first day of operation:
London Northwestern 350373 at Euston by Timothy Young, on Flickr
Has the interior changed?
simple simon
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Hopefully in the new year repainting will start in earnest.
Previous experience with trains that have the Harlequin diamond pattern does not bode well - many years ago a different service along the WCML was branded as a Harlequin Line and alas the service was awful. The name did not stay for very long.
Simon
Previous experience with trains that have the Harlequin diamond pattern does not bode well - many years ago a different service along the WCML was branded as a Harlequin Line and alas the service was awful. The name did not stay for very long.
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Only the posters have and London midland covered up on the notices and maps above the doors. Other than that it is absolutely identical.
sufian123
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Thanks
Bletchleyite
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FWIW, much as I like the WM "Cadbury's" livery, it clashes horribly with the green seats.
59CosG95
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Hopefully, it shouldn't last too long as an eyesore once interior upholstery refurbishment begins.
Sparks807Evo
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Forgive me if already mentioned but I assume the liveries are going to be refined then before they start the mass repainting/refurbishment programme? I also assume they will use actual paint on the units (i.e the front ends) rather than wrap around vinyl. There is already a small yellow strip visible under one of 172339's headlights.
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A little late, but this was 350373 at Euston on its first day of operation:
London Northwestern 350373 at Euston by Timothy Young, on Flickr
Got to say, that lnwr livery looks good in the dark!
Also that picture you've taken Tim makes the unit look like it's black instead of the dark green, which I think if they were black would make them a little bit "more easy on the eye".
delt1c
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Complete waste of money, we should have a corporate livery with operators name ( as in London Buses) not a waste of money on complete new livery. Companies talk of being green and carbon neutral then do this.
TT-ONR-NRN
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The WMR livery is certainly odd but I can’t help liking the London NW one!
Bletchleyite
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I'm definitely the other way round - Cadbury's livery looks nice, the LNR one is just a bit rubbish. (I actually do quite like their "quietly competent" use of a Helvetica like font, and the 1970s shadowed text posters - I just think the livery is just, er, not very good - too many vertical elements and overbranded).
ChrisHogan
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That's the idea. The WMR livery is a requirement of TfWM and will presumably stay the same when the franchise is relet.
sprinterguy
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Only when a C6 overhaul is due, I would have thought. The 172 fleet start to become due theirs next year, not sure about the 350s that are staying with the franchise as Angel Trains don't seem to have publically published their rolling stock plan.
Personally I think that the front ends would look less incongruous if they'd used a lighter colour on the lower cab fronts. The reason that the proposed livery treatments for the Virgin Azumas and new TPE stock looks so striking IMO is because the black noses contrast with a lighter bodyside colour.
As an enthusiastic subscriber to the late eighties post-bus deregulation school of livery design - sharp lines and big blocks of colour - I really quite like the new WMT liveries. I think they convey a strong brand image: Now if only the TOC could work out what those brands are actually for!
Case in point - I heard the Shrewsbury service being announced as a "London Northwestern Railway" service at Birmingham New Street last night: I thought that one was supposed to be within the West Midlands Railway fold?
I also find the new website quite difficult to track down: Typing "West Midlands Railway" into a popular search engine, two of the top three results are for the West Midlands Rail partnership site (The other is the franchise Wiki page), which does then at least pop up a message redirecting you to the WM Trains site - A clear admonition that there's plenty of room for confusion.
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