Which Star Trek?

[danfitz123]

Just wanted to know if any trek fans are on this forum, and if so what series is your favorite?

Enterprise for me.

 

[flymo]

I'm not a Trekkie by any means but having been brought up on The Original Series (Just called Star Trek back then) that has to be the favourite.

Kirk, Spock, Bones, Scotty, Uhura, Chekov, Sulu and of course the security guy in the red shirt that always got killed when they beamed down to the surface.

Marvellous.

 

[wintonian]

DS9 or Voyager depending which mood I am in.

 

[danfitz123]

DS9 or Voyager depending which mood I am in.

I do like Voyager, but that ship getting blown up 43 times a series can get pretty tiresome. DS9 was one Star Trek I have always and will always HATE with a passion. Enterprise seems to be more human like....nearer to our times.

 

[Smethwickian]

The classic series will always remain incomporable but of all the later versions Voyager has to be my favourite.

Something about being so far off the beaten track brought the genre back to a spirit of exploration. Final episode ended on a bit of a damp squib, however.

But Scott Bakula as Archer seemed to irritate me and I didn't get into Enterprise at all. Except when 'Trip' Tucker got his top off or appeared in tight shorts......

 

[table38]

Except when 'Trip' Tucker got his top off or appeared in tight shorts......

Tsk, not a patch on Captain Kirk who always manage to get his shirt ripped off somehow

Very funny Scotty, now beam down my clothes

 

[sprinterguy]

The classic series will always remain incomporable but of all the later versions Voyager has to be my favourite.

Something about being so far off the beaten track brought the genre back to a spirit of exploration. Final episode ended on a bit of a damp squib, however.

I entirely concur with these sentiments. Voyager is my favourite series, because, as is said above, of it being so far removed from the traditional "Star Trek" area of the galaxy that it restored the spirit of exploration to the series. The final episode did seem to be something of an easy way out though. And having said that, just as you say the original classic series is incomparable for "boldly going where no-one had gone before" and being the archetypal point of reference for all things Star Trek.

I quite liked Enterprise if considered on its' own merits as a stand alone series, though I did think that it had started wandering into Scott Bakulas' history with "Quantum Leap" later on in quite a few episodes where time travel was involved, which suggested that they were running out of ideas to me. That and it seemed to make a right cock up of the assumed history of the Star Trek universe from those bits of it that had previously been established by the original series and The Next Generation, if anybody actually worries about such things.

 

[Greenback]

There are many excellent epsidoes in the various series of Trek. There are also many not so good ones.

Personally I prefer the 1960's camp optimism of the original series. The Next Generation, although streets ahead of the original in terms of budget, acting and production values, can seem far too serious and worthy, which reflects on its late 1980's early 1990's production.

Deep Space Nine is not considered to be true Star Trek by some, as it does not really involve a starship. It is, really, the Trek creators answer to Babylon 5, and attempts to make sens of the new world order folowing the end of the cold war.

This theme is also taken up by Voyager, though the setting of unexplored space reflects the growing US uncertainty at its own world role as the 1990's progressed.

Enterprise shows the US struggling to come to terms with Al Qaeda and the general dislike that large parts of the world were beginning to feel towards them. The human quality is in fact the self doubt that Americans were feeling - the continual question of whether Earth should be goin gout into space is really one of 'should the US pursue an isolationist foreign policy?'.

 

[sprinterguy]

I'm not a Trekkie by any means but having been brought up on The Original Series (Just called Star Trek back then) that has to be the favourite.

Kirk, Spock, Bones, Scotty, Uhura, Chekov, Sulu and of course the security guy in the red shirt that always got killed when they beamed down to the surface.

Marvellous.

Why on earth those security blokes didn't stay well out of the way as soon as there was even the slightest hint of an away mission to a planets' surface is beyond me. You would think that they would have started to notice a trend emerging

 

[table38]

That and it seemed to make a right cock up of the assumed history of the Star Trek universe from those bits of it that had previously been established by the original series and The Next Generation, if anybody actually worries about such things.

Quite, which is why I didn't enjoy the JJ Abrams "Star Trek" movie. Something nagged away at me for ages, then I realised that it was because it reminded me of how the "Thunderbirds" movie just ignored anything it didn't like or was inconvenient from the original.

 

[sprinterguy]

Quite, which is why I didn't enjoy the JJ Abrams "Star Trek" movie. Something nagged away at me for ages, then I realised that it was because it reminded me of how the "Thunderbirds" movie just ignored anything it didn't like or was inconvenient from the original.

My thoughts exactly. That newer "Star Trek" movie is pretty cringeworthy from a perspective of it tying in with the rest of the Star Trek universe, though it does have the (poor) excuse of ostensibly being set on a different timeline (Starting with that rather peeved Romulan popping into the 23rd century) to the Star Trek series' that had preceded it.

 

[table38]

Why on earth those security blokes didn't stay well out of the way

South Park did a lot of gags from "TOS" like the kid in the red shirt on the bus who gets killed, or the Tantalus Observatory

 

[hairyhandedfool]

I prefer DS9, TNG has some good episodes and so does Voyager, but they are not as good as DS9 or the original series. I'm not a particular fan of the newest Hollywood film either, it's okay but there is too much 'Hollywood' in it ("There has to be a love story, people go crazy for love stories", etc).

As for Enterprise, well I have a few issues with the time line and things that are said in the earlier series/films, but I believe George Takei's Futurama character said it best.....

"Way to kill the franchise Bakula!".

Interestingly, DS9 came out around the same time as Babylon 5 and it is said that Paramount were offered B5, but said they no.

 

[Greenback]

I prefer DS9, TNG has some good episodes and so does Voyager, but they are not as good as DS9 or the original series. I'm not a particular fan of the newest Hollywood film either, it's okay but there is too much 'Hollywood' in it ("There has to be a love story, people go crazy for love stories", etc).

As for Enterprise, well I have a few issues with the time line and things that are said in the earlier series/films, but I believe George Takei's Futurama character said it best.....

"Way to kill the franchise Bakula!".

Interestingly, DS9 came out around the same time as Babylon 5 and it is said that Paramount were offered B5, but said they no.

It's said that they were given first choice of the show in 1989. Given that The Next Generation was just starting to take off at that time after a bit of a shaky start, it's not beyond the realsm of possibility that they chose not to take it up at that stage, but that once the Trek franchise was firmly established and profitable, they elected to a similar show, but based in the Trek universe.

 

[DarloRich]

Why on earth those security blokes didn't stay well out of the way as soon as there was even the slightest hint of an away mission to a planets' surface is beyond me. You would think that they would have started to notice a trend emerging

Where was the union rep? Did they not have an on board HSE rep? Did they not have a works place safety procedure? .

Any Star Trek that doesn’t have an "Enterprise" in it is not a Star Trek as far as I am concerned. The original is still the best

 

[Smethwickian]

Tsk, not a patch on Captain Kirk who always manage to get his shirt ripped off somehow

Well, that's one reason the original was incomparable! Could Shatner have hammed up the look-at-me smouldering and wooden posturing any more if he tried? The whole camp-as-Butlins aspect of it is just marvellous.

 

[chris89]

Not a massive Star Trek fan but do prefer the Next Generation.

Then the orginal series, never liked Deep Space 9 or voyager.

Chris

 

[LE Greys]

Have you noticed that, the better the special effects, the worse the acting (well, apart from Shatner, of course, who couldn't act for toffee at first). Being series products and having many different writers, you got good and bad ones in each of them. The Original Series is my favourite, and had plenty of great episodes, but remember the one with the space hippies? The Next Generation was brilliant as well, but also had the odd dud one. DS9 was slow and boring at first, came from being static on a space station, but it warmed up during the big war story arc. Voyager was pretty bad at first, but got better, then gradually turned into the Seven of Nine show (although Jeri Ryan is a decent actress). Enterprise was a disaster for the first three years, then got Manny Coto in as a new executive producer, and suddenly it got a lot better. They cancelled it just when it was getting good. Still, a good Voyager episode was way better than a terrible TOS episode, and even that was way better than Eastenders.

Oh yes, my favourite Trek film is The Wrath of Khan, followed closely by First Contact.

Live Long and Prosper.

 

[table38]

Could Shatner have hammed up the look-at-me smouldering and wooden posturing any more if he tried? The whole camp-as-Butlins aspect of it is just marvellous.

Like the bit in "Turnabout Intruder" where Kirk swaps bodies with Dr. Janice Lester, when Shatner is acting as Janice, and getting all petulant whilst manicuring his nails...

Still, I was a besotted teenager at the time, and frankly Kirk could have "put it anywhere he wanted" (Or Buck Rogers for that matter)

 

[passmore]

The Original Series for me, but I am a bit of a Trekkie (or is it Trekker; now there's a debate ) and a science nerd in general.

Now, can anyone tell me what the purpose of conducting a scan involving zeta particle flux, gamma ray emission and flow rate of positrons is?

Answers on a postcard please...

 

[LE Greys]

The Original Series for me, but I am a bit of a Trekkie (or is it Trekker; now there's a debate ) and a science nerd in general.

Now, can anyone tell me what the purpose of conducting a scan involving zeta particle flux, gamma ray emission and flow rate of positrons is?

Answers on a postcard please...

To make something happen while preventing bright physics students from writing letters of complaint to say that it is impossible. Nothing can go faster than light. Well let's add some Dilithium crystals to make it possible, plus a big slug of subspace and a dash of Veritanium-cortinide.

 

[table38]

Nothing can go faster than light.

Tsk, you earthlings will never get out into space with that sort of closed thinking

 

[passmore]

Tsk, you earthlings will never get out into space with that sort of closed thinking

Quite right.

I think also what's missing from this debate is the vision Gene Roddenberry had. You youngsters are also forgetting just how different the world was when Star Trek was first on (anyone old enough to remember the outcry from the episode with the interracial kiss in?). It was a very different place, which made the escapism of the series so riveting and diverting. It was a shame that they pulled the plug after 3 series really.

Then the Motion Picture came along. I quite liked it, despite people saying it was too grand and too slow. I didn't like The Voyage Home. A probe that talks to whales, for heaven's sake!

 

[AlterEgo]

For me, it's TNG, closely followed by Voyager. I haven't watched Enterprise at all, and DS9 is incredibly dull in my view.

The Original Series is ridiculously camp and I can't take it seriously at all!

 

[Seacook]

Every one of the various incarnations had its high and low points, but I preferred TNG slightly. Unlike the original series it did not have all of the senior crew members on duty at the same time and beaming down into unknown perils en masse.

The best Star Trek movie is not Star Trek at all - it is Galaxy Quest, centred on actors from a long running popular TV series set on a starship...

 

[chris89]

Every one of the various incarnations had its high and low points, but I preferred TNG slightly. Unlike the original series it did not have all of the senior crew members on duty at the same time and beaming down into unknown perils en masse.

The best Star Trek movie is not Star Trek at all - it is Galaxy Quest, centred on actors from a long running popular TV series set on a starship...

I agree on that, Galaxy Quest is fantastic and the Star Trek actors all found it quite funny. Also with a brillant performance by Alan Rickman before everyone just knows him for Harry Potter films as snape. But his best role is as Hans Gruber in Die Hard 1

Chris

 

[LE Greys]

I agree on that, Galaxy Quest is fantastic and the Star Trek actors all found it quite funny. Also with a brillant performance by Alan Rickman before everyone just knows him for Harry Potter films as snape. But his best role is as Hans Gruber in Die Hard 1

Chris

Agreed wholeheartedly!

 

[danfitz123]

My favorite film was ST:Generations. It was great the way they brought Shatner into it. Data with emotion chip .

 

[Clip]

Do you know why Uhura left the original Star Trek?


Because William Shatner




TNG was my favourite but nothing will be as good as Battlestar Galactica

 

[danfitz123]

nothing will be as good as Battlestar Galactica

:0 Battlestar copy off star trek you mean!