What are drivers allowed to do?

[theageofthetra]

Except when the bloody thing fails. Worse, I think is the removal of SPTs We now have a rather large area where they no longer exist. The lunacy is that the number provided to call cannot be called using the GSMR. Whoops !

Or it connects regularly to completely the wrong panel.

 

[Kneedown]

So you can actually leave the cab without keying out ?

Not permitted on EMT.

 

[ComUtoR]

Not permitted on EMT.

Permitted at my TOC, relative to the distance from the cab.

 

[bengley]

So you can actually leave the cab without keying out ?

I can at my TOC. It is different at other companies.

 

[TRAX]

Thanks for the answers guys. Btw there is only one master key per unit is that right ?

 

[axlecounter]

Permitted at my TOC, relative to the distance from the cab.

How is that applicable? Do you have ranges to stay within or what else?

 

[driver9000]

Thanks for the answers guys. Btw there is only one master key per unit is that right ?

Keys are issued to Drivers not units and only 1 desk can be open at a time.

 

[TRAX]

Oh I see. Thanks.
What do you mean one desk open at a time ?

 

[ComUtoR]

Oh I see. Thanks.
What do you mean one desk open at a time ?

Driving cab desk

Ours will sound an alarm if you have two keys on.

 

[TRAX]

Ah yes makes sense

 

[142Pilot]

In 3rd rail DC areas guards and drivers will be trained to use the short circuit bar to get an emergency isolation in the immediate area.

In overhead AC areas the only safe way to do it is via an REC to the siggy, who'll contact the ECO for an emergency isolation

Not always.

I operate in areas of DC but don't carry short circuit bars or even know how to operate them.

I get DC questions on my rules. It's only in station areas where the DC is but I sign the stations and all platforms.

 

[AndrewE]

I operate in areas of DC but don't carry short circuit bars

You wouldn't: they are bloody heavy!

or even know how to operate them.

This does surprise me, I was trained on them either in my PTS or COSS courses.

 

[Kneedown]

Not always.

I operate in areas of DC but don't carry short circuit bars or even know how to operate them.

I get DC questions on my rules. It's only in station areas where the DC is but I sign the stations and all platforms.

Same on EMT. We are DC competent for Hunts Cross area, but don't carry short circuiting bars (Unless on 158889)

 

[Mintona]

How is that applicable? Do you have ranges to stay within or what else?

I believe at that TOC it is within 1 coach length of the cab. So you may go back to play with things like MCBs in the bodyend cupboard without switching out the desk.

 

[ComUtoR]

I believe at that TOC it is within 1 coach length of the cab.

Generally yes.

So you may go back to play with things like MCBs in the bodyend cupboard without switching out the desk.

It's more for dispatch purposes than playing with MCB's as in that case you would key off as you are mostly likely dealing with a fault. If your just stepping out then 1 coach length is sufficient. Anything else your gonna Signaller, DRA, key off.

 

[sw1ller]

Guards too. My rule book includes the DC module and I am fully conversant on how to deal with it, even though of the hundreds of miles I sign, the only DC section is basically 1 platform at 1 station.

I had you pegged down to one of two depots, if this is the case you can’t be at either as it would be 3 platforms at 2 stations like me. Haha. It is strange that we don’t carry any short circuit clips though, even if only 2 stations we serve on all routes has DC.

 

[craigybagel]

I had you pegged down to one of two depots, if this is the case you can’t be at either as it would be 3 platforms at 2 stations like me. Haha. It is strange that we don’t carry any short circuit clips though, even if only 2 stations we serve on all routes has DC.

Took me a lot of thinking to try and work out where else on our franchise we have DC! Finally worked it out and no, I don't sign that other section. Thankfully - I've heard nothing nice about that particular route

I do agree with you though and it does sometimes worry me I must admit, the fact that all we can do at present is make a phone call. But then if I ever had to put the clips down I'd probably be terrified - the one time I had to walk over the barrow crossing to access the yard felt unpleasantly close enough to that 3rd rail!

 

[sw1ller]

Took me a lot of thinking to try and work out where else on our franchise we have DC! Finally worked it out and no, I don't sign that other section. Thankfully - I've heard nothing nice about that particular route

I do agree with you though and it does sometimes worry me I must admit, the fact that all we can do at present is make a phone call. But then if I ever had to put the clips down I'd probably be terrified - the one time I had to walk over the barrow crossing to access the yard felt unpleasantly close enough to that 3rd rail!

I enjoy the route it’s on, I couldn’t be a guard on it though, I’d end up getting sacked, I’m happy enough in my cab though. The short circuit bar does look a bit scary to be fair, probably best we don’t carry them. Haha.

 

[Gooner18]

In the case of a train failure and you can’t get hold of the signaller is the procedure still to place 3 detonators ( 20 metres apart) 300 M from the rear of the train , then continue for 1 and 1/4 miles then place another 3 detonators again 20 meters apart , or until you reach a signal / phone to contact the signaller, and which you place 3 dets on the line.
If you see a train approaching beforehand you place 3 dets on the line and do the correct hand signal?

 

[ComUtoR]

In the case of a train failure and you can’t get hold of the signaller is the procedure still to place 3 detonators ( 20 metres apart) 300 M from the rear of the train , then continue for 1 and 1/4 miles then place another 3 detonators again 20 meters apart , or until you reach a signal / phone to contact the signaller, and which you place 3 dets on the line.
If you see a train approaching beforehand you place 3 dets on the line and do the correct hand signal?

I see you been reading that rule book. Please don't

 

[Gooner18]

I had a quick browse tonight , not studying as I don’t want to feel my mind with useless info , jusy thought i would put that part here to see if that was correct or indeed and is probably the case it’s out of date just like everything else in there

 

[Tomnick]

I had a quick browse tonight , not studying as I don’t want to feel my mind with useless info , jusy thought i would put that part here to see if that was correct or indeed and is probably the case it’s out of date just like everything else in there

It's not correct. Put the Rule Book down and step away .

 

[Gooner18]

It's not correct. Put the Rule Book down and step away .

Received and understood lol.
Might as well give it back to the person whom lent it to moi

 

[Val3ntine]

In the case of a train failure and you can’t get hold of the signaller is the procedure still to place 3 detonators ( 20 metres apart) 300 M from the rear of the train , then continue for 1 and 1/4 miles then place another 3 detonators again 20 meters apart , or until you reach a signal / phone to contact the signaller, and which you place 3 dets on the line.
If you see a train approaching beforehand you place 3 dets on the line and do the correct hand signal?

I can see your eagerness to learn which is admirable but honestly buddy plenty here have advised not to read ahead and this is a perfect example why not. You have semi-correct information but no clue on the numerous different scenarios in which it applies to or which it doesn’t. You are going to be soooooo confused when it comes to learning this in and amongst many other things. It’s confusing enough as it is, you’re making it harder for yourself this way.

 

[Val3ntine]

P.s - If you were to practice that in real life and leave the train to place dets/locate a signal post telephone because of a train failure, there’s a potential you’ll most definetly lose your job if not even your life because there’s other rules you will not have followed. But anyway you learn all this

 

[Gooner18]

I did browse through the different situations and procedures I.e derailment and decoupling etc , the above was for a train fault , but I will no longer read any of it as it is 6 years out of date

 

[Tomnick]

What others have said - honestly, you'll just get in a horribly confusing mess when you're taught it, and the principles behind it, from scratch.

(you don't need emergency protection if you've failed and can't contact immediately contact the signalman, unless you're in a temporary block working section. Even six - or sixty - years ago, it wasn't routinely required although there were a few more situations that it'd have to be carried out in)

 

[ComUtoR]

(you don't need emergency protection if you've failed and can't contact immediately contact the signalman, unless you're in a temporary block working section. Even six - or sixty - years ago, it wasn't routinely required although there were a few more situations that it'd have to be carried out in)

Have you read the new amendment to that rule ?

 

[Tomnick]

Have you read the new amendment to that rule ?

Emergency special working?

 

[whhistle]

Of course. All Driver's need to be able to take the correct action in an emergency.

Even though they'll never be under wires or over 3rd rail?
Seems a pointless piece of learning if you'll never use it.