WCR - Jacobite 2026

[Steam4Max]

Mark 2a are the older style and are more like a mark 1 than an air-con mark 2.

More importantly are they Vac braked?

 

[Bill57p9]

More importantly are they Vac braked?

Mk2as are air braked and helpfully dual heat, so should have a dynamo to avoid the need for ETS.

Riley's black 5s are mostly, if not all, dual braked.

Overall sounds like a practical solution that ticks the boxes.

 

[Steam4Max]

Mk2as are air braked and helpfully dual heat, so should have a dynamo to avoid the need for ETS.

Riley's black 5s are mostly, if not all, dual braked.

Overall sounds like a practical solution that ticks the boxes.

Yes I agree for the Jacobite but as discussed further up this thread, I would now say that leaves WCR dangerously short of air braked locos in England and Wales (34028 & 34067).

Unless a MK1 rake is not far off being sorted?

 

[Krokodil]

Mark 2a are the older style and are more like a mark 1 than an air-con mark 2.

Presumably these are the coaches usually used on the afternoon train

 

[matt]

Presumably these are the coaches usually used on the afternoon train

Yes I believe most of them are from the set that operated the afternoon Jacobite

 

[Isle of Mull]

Mark 2a are the older style and are more like a mark 1 than an air-con mark 2.

What loco(s) are planned for use then

 

[Railwaycat]

14 photographs of 5Z10 are here: 37518 An Gearasdan / Fort William, 44871 & 45407 T… - North west trains, 2026 - andrewstransport https://share.google/fsowOyKpFeklN9Ns0

Has that Hastings unit on the website got central door locking because there's no sign of an outside door light, and if not then what's going on there?

 

[Isle of Mull]

Has that Hastings unit on the website got central door locking because there's no sign of an outside door light, and if not then what's going on there?

It does I believe the light is just quite small

 

[Steam4Max]

Will be Riley’s Black 5’s 45407 & 44871

 

[Rail Ranger]

....as in the photos....

 

[Bill57p9]

Has that Hastings unit on the website got central door locking because there's no sign of an outside door light, and if not then what's going on there?

Hastings Diesels Limited wrote a detailed article on their CDL fit back in 2005 which includes a photo of the exterior lights. It can be found on their website and is too long to copy here.
https://www.hastingsdiesels.co.uk/news/articles/2005a02/

 

[LesS]

I would like to know about the construction of the Mk1 coaches. I assume steel frames and sheet metal sides but what about the rest.
On a timber framed coach, CDL would not be safe for passengers in case of a fire.

 

[jfollows]

I would like to know about the construction of the Mk1 coaches. I assume steel frames and sheet metal sides but what about the rest.
On a timber framed coach, CDL would not be safe for passengers in case of a fire.

There is a book:
British Railways Mark 1 and Mark 2 Coaching Stock, Hugh Longworth, OPC, http://crecy.co.uk, ISBN 9781910809754

 

[Sidmouth34010]

I would like to know about the construction of the Mk1 coaches. I assume steel frames and sheet metal sides but what about the rest.
On a timber framed coach, CDL would not be safe for passengers in case of a fire.

CDL would be a challenge on any vehicle in the event of fire . the key is what is the emergency release

 

[bluegoblin7]

Presumably the design (if different to the ones used by LSL or Vintage Trains) would need approving by an "Independant Competent Person"

ROGS states that an ICP is required where the change introduces a new or significantly increased risk to safety. There is an argument that fitting a ‘known’ CDL system (be that BR-style air-operated or VT-style mag locks) does not increase that risk… although not one I would personally make.

There is however no requirement for the ICP to be appointed by, or from, the ORR, and it is possible for an ICP (although again not best practice) to be internal if they are sufficiently distanced and objective from the modification being assessed. There should, however, be diligent record keeping as per the SMS in the event of an ORR spot check.

 

[3RDGEN]

14 photographs of 5Z10 are here: 37518 An Gearasdan / Fort William, 44871 & 45407 T… - North west trains, 2026 - andrewstransport https://share.google/fsowOyKpFeklN9Ns0

From those photo's it appears the rear seven coaches are already formed up for the service train which makes sense however the third vehicle from the rear is MkI buffet 99318. In the photo of 99318 it appears to have amber indicators next to the passenger door which may indicate it has CDL fitted however I can't see an external emergency release handle on the vehicle bodyside unlike the MkII's.

This YouTube video from "DRS37425" also appears to show amber external indicators on 99318 at 1:15, so did 99318 have CDL previously or has it been fitted recently?

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[Rail Ranger]

It's been fitted recently.

 

[3RDGEN]

It's been fitted recently.

Thanks for the confirmation.

 

[D6130]

What's the purpose of the GUV in the centre of the train?

 

[Rail Ranger]

Spares for the coaches?

 

[D6130]

Spares for the coaches?

Good idea!

 

[The Bear]

What's the purpose of the GUV in the centre of the train?

It's the tool van/mobile workshop which goes to Fort William with the locos & stock every year......

 

[D6130]

It's the tool van/mobile workshop which goes to Fort William with the locos & stock every year......

Thanks. I thought that might be the case.

 

[50002Superb]

Is it correct that the following carriages have headed North?

35517
35486
94225
9539
5487
5453
5419
99318
5229
5239

Were there any others already there?

 

[37069]

Is it correct that the following carriages have headed North?

35517
35486
94225
9539
5487
5453
5419
99318
5229
5239

Were there any others already there?

List is correct.

I think former Caley Mk. 3 Sleeper 10718 is still at FW (presumably acting as a dormitory for the Jacobite crews) - it went north with the stock at the start of the 2025 season.

 

[50002Superb]

List is correct.

I think former Caley Mk. 3 Sleeper 10718 is still at FW (presumably acting as a dormitory for the Jacobite crews) - it went north with the stock at the start of the 2025 season.

Great thank you!

 

[LRV3004]

Has that Hastings unit on the website got central door locking because there's no sign of an outside door light, and if not then what's going on there?

Penrith last Friday on the “GOSH Ness Monster” - CDL lights lit but obviously people didn’t detrain through the non-platformed doors!!!

 

[Rail Ranger]

The Jacobite has left Fort William on time at 10.15.

 

[Isle of Mull]

The Jacobite has left Fort William on time at 10.15.

Which loco do you know

 

[Rail Ranger]

Dunno.