UK General Election 2024

[LNW-GW Joint]

By 3-4am, you've got a pretty good idea.
For General Elections they have to count overnight; local elections they've got more scope to do it the following day(s)

I think Northern Ireland counts on the Friday, and some of the remoter Scottish seats don't come in till around mid-day Friday.
It only matters if the result is close.
There's also the trend for Labour to rack up an early lead from urban counts, and then fall back relatively as the rural counts come in which are more likely to go Con/Lib-Dem.
But then there are many new factors this time (Reform, Green, SNP etc).

 

[Woolos 22]

Do you like having the candidates name on the ballot paper or the parties names on them

 

[Cross City]

Can't wait for that 10pm exit poll announcement. It's going to hit like crack not seeing 'Conservative majority' on the big BBC/Sky News coverage.

 

[pokemonsuper9]

Do you like having the candidates name on the ballot paper or the parties names on them

Do they not have both?
They had both on the local/Mayor ones.

 

[takno]

Do they not have both?
They had both on the local/Mayor ones.

They've had both in every election I've ever voted in

 

[Trackman]

They've had both in every election I've ever voted in

I didn't they did when I started first voting. You had to remember the name of the candidate you were going to vote for. I'm at the wrong end of 50 btw.

Can't wait for that 10pm exit poll announcement. It's going to hit like crack not seeing 'Conservative majority' on the big BBC/Sky News coverage.

Sky have been fairly accurate with GE exit polls. They called the hung parliament too.

 

[birchesgreen]

Oh gets better, parents could be prosecuted if their 18 year old children refuse to become cannon fodder or do unpaid work.

Parents Could Be Punished If Children Refuse National Service, Suggests Minister

Anne-Marie Trevelyan does not rule out fines under new Tory scheme.

www.huffingtonpost.co.uk

Parents could be punished if their children refuse to sign up to the Conservative’s national service programme, a minister has suggested.

 

[Statto]

I think Northern Ireland counts on the Friday, and some of the remoter Scottish seats don't come in till around mid-day Friday.
It only matters if the result is close.
There's also the trend for Labour to rack up an early lead from urban counts, and then fall back relatively as the rural counts come in which are more likely to go Con/Lib-Dem.
But then there are many new factors this time (Reform, Green, SNP etc).

Constituencies in Sunderland are always first to announce results normally by 11pm, rural & big area ones come in much later normally from Midnight & peak is between 2am & 3am when results come in thick & fast

Northern Ireland counts during the day on Friday, results tend to be in from mid afternoon, however none of the UK mainland parties campaign & put candidates up for seats in Northern Ireland

 

[Cross City]

Oh gets better, parents could be prosecuted if their 18 year old children refuse to become cannon fodder or do unpaid work.

Parents Could Be Punished If Children Refuse National Service, Suggests Minister

Anne-Marie Trevelyan does not rule out fines under new Tory scheme.

www.huffingtonpost.co.uk

No chance this passes any kind of legal scrutiny. You can't punish one adult for another adult not doing something.

 

[SuspectUsual]

They've had both in every election I've ever voted in

Indeed, and they should, although I seem to recall some recent(ish) Tory local council candidates have been described as "local conservative candidate" or similar to distance themselves from the chaos in Westminster

 

[spyinthesky]

No chance this passes any kind of legal scrutiny. You can't punish one adult for another adult not doing something.

I think the quote in the Huffington Post is a bit misleading as she didn’t answer the question.
She didn’t rule out being fined for not voting for the Tories neither

 

[Gloster]

I think that St Ives is often the last to declare as it includes the Scilly Isles: I am fairly sure it was last time. A few others can have problems if there is severe weather messing up communications with outlying islands: Orkney & Shetland, Torridge & West Devon, Na h-Eileanan an Iar, North Antrim are (I think) some of them.

 

[adc82140]

I didn't they did when I started first voting. You had to remember the name of the candidate you were going to vote for. I'm at the wrong end of 50 btw.

Sky have been fairly accurate with GE exit polls. They called the hung parliament too.

It changed sometime in the 1990s. The parties get to choose the wording, hence most of them will just say Joe Bloggs, Labour etc, but the Conservative ones always say more long windedly for example Julian Piffleton-Smythe, The Conerservative Party Candidate.

There was a hoo ha regarding a certain "Literal Democrat" in one constituency who got rather more votes than would be expected for a fringe independent candidate, so the rules were tightened a bit.

 

[Gloster]

It changed sometime in the 1990s. The parties get to choose the wording, hence most of them will just say Joe Bloggs, Labour etc, but the Conservative ones always say more long windedly for example Julian Piffleton-Smythe, The Conerservative Party Candidate.

There was a hoo ha regarding a certain "Literal Democrat" in one constituency who got rather more votes than would be expected for a fringe independent candidate, so the rules were tightened a bit.

The Literal Democrat case was rather more serious and led to a change in the law. In the 1994 European election Richard Huggett stood as a Literal Democrat in the Devon and East Plymouth constituency and gained 10,203 votes, while the Conservative candidate only had a 700 vote margin over the Liberal Democrat one. The nomination and result was allowed to stand, but the result was the Registration of Political Parties Act 1998: this prevents candidates from using such misleading names.

 

[HSTEd]

Oh gets better, parents could be prosecuted if their 18 year old children refuse to become cannon fodder or do unpaid work.

Parents Could Be Punished If Children Refuse National Service, Suggests Minister

Anne-Marie Trevelyan does not rule out fines under new Tory scheme.

www.huffingtonpost.co.uk

Punishing parents for the actions of their 18 year old children is going to create its own fun legal issues.

 

[dangie]

Punishing parents for the actions of their 18 year old children is going to create its own fun legal issues.

I think parents should be held responsible for the actions of their offspring until they reach a certain age.

Age 40 would be a good starting point

 

[90sWereBetter]

Very interesting to see that self-proclaimed Brexit Hardman, Steve Baker, has come out swinging against the National Service proposal.

Tories’ national service pledge was sprung on candidates, says minister

The Conservative campaign pledge to introduce mandatory national service was dreamed up by advisers and sprung on candidates, a government minister has said.
Criticism of the headline grabbing policy has centred on claims it was not fully thought through before being announced, while ministers said just two days before the announcement that a return of national service was not on the cards.

“It’s a Conservative party policy. The government’s policy was set out on Thursday,” said the government minister Steve Baker, referring to his colleague Andrew Murrison’s previous insistence there were “no current plans to reintroduce national service”.

Baker, who serves as a minister of state at the Northern Ireland Office, said on Monday: “I don’t like to be pedantic but a government policy would have been developed by ministers on the advice of officials and collectively agreed. I would have had a say on behalf of [Northern Ireland]. But this proposal was developed by a political adviser or advisers and sprung on candidates, some of whom are relevant ministers.”

Tories’ national service pledge was sprung on candidates, says minister

Steve Baker says advisers came up with policy to bring back mandatory national service without agreeing it with ministers

www.theguardian.com

I think we're less than a week away from Tory party discipline completely breaking down.

 

[birchesgreen]

Well the policy has achieved it's purpose, what else has anyone been talking about lately?

 

[SuspectUsual]

Punishing parents for the actions of their 18 year old children is going to create its own fun legal issues.

In a hypothetical world where the Tories win the election, this wouldn't create any legal issues - the Bill for the new law, lets call it the Cannon Fodder and Forced Labour (2025) Bill, would have a clause making parents legally liable for any eligible offspring defaulting on the obligation to do national service, and the Tory majority would vote it through

Similar to declaring Rwanda a safe country

So legal precedent yes, legal issues no

 

[dosxuk]

Sky have been fairly accurate with GE exit polls. They called the hung parliament too.

The BBC, Sky and ITN have worked together on the last few exit polls, with all broadcasters taking the same data and prediction - so you'll get the same level of accuracy on all those programmes.

 

[birchesgreen]

They could just raise the age someone becomes an adult to 21, and also take away the vote from them of course. They probably all vote Labour anyway. Maybe they could raise the age a bit more, to 59?

 

[Gloster]

It has just struck me that the way the thinking, if that is what you can call the processes within the Conservative Party, is going is likely to produce something that can easily be interpreted to be in contravention of Article 4 of the European Convention on Human Rights. Then, hey-ho, the Conservatives put this forward as grounds to withdraw from the ECHR and ‘stand up for Britain against foreigners telling us what to do.’

 

[nlogax]

Bit late to the 'what the hell?' party but the national service pledge..amazing in all the wrong ways. Cannot wait for the subsequent return to rationing, pea-soupers and outdoor lavvies.

 

[edwin_m]

Well the policy has achieved it's purpose, what else has anyone been talking about lately?

That assumes the "no such thing as bad news" theory. I suppose it pushes all their other policies out of conversation, but only because it's so obviously even worse than most of them.

Reported someone was persuading Rishi that "who dares wins" when calling the election. Maybe that just stuck in his head on his day off.

 

[NeilCr]

Lucy Allan is the current Tory MP for Telford and is standing down at the general election

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" I am supporting Alan Adams to be Telford's next MP. If you want to help Alan or donate to his campaign visit..."

Alan Adams is the Reform candidate....

She has been chucked out of the party

 

[brad465]

Well the policy has achieved it's purpose, what else has anyone been talking about lately?

It's also caused a lot of public infighting among some Tory candidates and right wing commentators, such that the move is at best of no net benefit/cost (and their 20 points behind currently).

 

[sor]

Lucy Allan is the current Tory MP for Telford and is standing down at the general election

x.com

x.com

" I am supporting Alan Adams to be Telford's next MP. If you want to help Alan or donate to his campaign visit..."

Alan Adams is the Reform candidate....

She has been chucked out of the party

it's rather amusing to point out that this means the tory majority is still shrinking, even with parliament shut down

(they're still all MPs for a couple more days until parliament is actually dissolved)

 

[Enthusiast]

It has just struck me that the way the thinking, if that is what you can call the processes within the Conservative Party, is going is likely to produce something that can easily be interpreted to be in contravention of Article 4 of the European Convention on Human Rights.

Only if the participants are unpaid. If they are paid I imagine it would comply (otherwise the National Service policies of other European countries, e.g. Austria, Switzerland, Denmark, Norway, would similarly fall foul of Article 4).

 

[HSTEd]

Also I am skeptical of the members of the public telling their younger relatives they don't support this policy.

I expect when noone is watching in the booth, many will look positively on it.

 

[Fermiboson]

Only if the participants are unpaid. If they are paid I imagine it would comply (otherwise the National Service policies of other European countries, e.g. Austria, Switzerland, Denmark, Norway, would similarly fall foul of Article 4).

Not in the way the Tories are suggesting, and certainly not if they are actually going to jail parents for their kids’ decision. You can’t do that even for minors, and likely not for those below the age of criminal responsibility. (This is of course not touching on the merits of the policy itself, which is one taken directly from the Nazi playbook.)

I suspect the point of this entire exercise is to make sure nobody remembers the Labour campaign, so that they can hammer on the “Labour has no plan” line in by-elections and eventually 2028. Tory diehards will vote Tory anyways, and the idea appears to be that nobody who isn’t a Tory diehard is voting for them regardless; this certainly seems to be the mood within certain Tory circles. Assuming, that is, that they have a plan.