Trespassers

[Andrew Nelson]

I've a letter from the BTP about a successful prosecution of two trespassers at Mirfield, is it possible to attach it here (Suitably Redacted obviously).

 

[TomBoyRacer]

I remember being given a mini book written by Roald Dahl about rail safety at School around 1990. Did anyone else ever get this?

 

[Tomnick]

I remember being given a mini book written by Roald Dahl about rail safety at School around 1990. Did anyone else ever get this?

Yes, still got it at home somewhere I think!

 

[Peter Mugridge]

I have a mint copy of that - somewhere; apparently it was the last thing Roald Dahl ever wrote.

 

[plymothian]

I remember a picture of someone being decapitated in that!

 

[bnm]

I too had a copy of that book for many years - god know what happened to it though. Still, may buy another copy:

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Roald-Dahls-guide-railway-safety/dp/B0000CP0HS

 

[bladesman123]

what is the law on this regarding preserved lines ?

 

[ralphchadkirk]

what is the law on this regarding preserved lines ?

It is still a criminal offence - the same as the mainline.

 

[bnm]

Exactly the same.

 

[scotsman]

what is the law on this regarding preserved lines ?

Still illegal without permission AFAIK. My copy of the rule book says (along the lines of) "Trespassers are a danger to themselves and everyone else on the railway...they should be politely but firmly told to leave, if they refuse to comply - contact the RO"

 

[Pumbaa]

On the Trespass theme, where does this fit in? You have no idea if the videographer is standing in the cab, so at very least present in the cab without a valid cab pass. I was honestly shocked that someone has the audacity to do this, especially with the amount of 'no entry' signs around, but if no harm done, then whats the problem?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ASUxLtyJx2I&NR=1

 

[MidnightFlyer]

Pumbaa - what an idiot in that video. If the person who uploaded the video is the one involved, YT could trace his IP address, and he could get nicked for trepass.

 

[Aictos]

I remember being given a mini book written by Roald Dahl about rail safety at School around 1990. Did anyone else ever get this?

Yes, loved the drawings in it - pity I lost it years ago!

 

[bengley]

Pumbaa - what an idiot in that video. If the person who uploaded the video is the one involved, YT could trace his IP address, and he could get nicked for trepass.

Not really, he was harmlessly standing in the doorway filming the view from the doorway. If he'd filmed himself flicking switches and sitting in the driving seat then I'd agree with you, but this is far from a problem on his part.

 

[ralphchadkirk]

Not really, he was harmlessly standing in the doorway filming the view from the doorway. If he'd filmed himself flicking switches and sitting in the driving seat then I'd agree with you, but this is far from a problem on his part.

Really? His video quite clearly shows that he entered the cab. He wasn't just standing in the doorway.

 

[scotsman]

Tempted to send that video to the BTP, only thing stopping me is that the TM may get a meeting without coffee for leaving the door unlocked. The notices make it very clear that he is not to enter while the train is moving and that it is for staff only.

 

[Username]

I think what shocked me most about that video is how clean the cab looked

 

[Geezertronic]

Not really, he was harmlessly standing in the doorway filming the view from the doorway. If he'd filmed himself flicking switches and sitting in the driving seat then I'd agree with you, but this is far from a problem on his part.

There's nothing harmless about trespassing into the cab of a moving train whether it is the leading vehicle or not and whether the door was left open or not. The sensible thing to do would have been to either close the door and/or alert the Train Manager. The filmer certainly wasn't "standing in the doorway" in the video I saw rather he was being an idiot.

 

[ukrob]

Not really, he was harmlessly standing in the doorway filming the view from the doorway. If he'd filmed himself flicking switches and sitting in the driving seat then I'd agree with you, but this is far from a problem on his part.

The first three seconds show him opening the cab door and walking in!

 

[Eng274]

It is tempting to shop the offender to the BTP, but in this age there is no culpability for being a F*ckwit, so it would inevitably be the train manager's fault for leaving it open, and disciplinary action for them - a tarnished record of service caused by one split-second lapse of concentration, and a opportunist muppet with a camera.

It also looks like someone on the platform (dispatcher?) has clocked him in the cab at 0:22 in that video.

 

[ukrob]

Wouldn't the cleaning crew be the last people to use that door anyway? Why would the train manager be anywhere near the rear cab when their 'office' is in the same coach as the shop - this is where they would have despatched the train from seconds earlier?

 

[nedchester]

Quite an interesting video though!!!

What's to be gained from going to the BTP?

 

[MidnightFlyer]

Platform staff see him at 0:08 too. There's quite a lot of CCTV in that back cab, so he may have been picked up on that...

 

[Old Timer]

His arrogance demands he be taken down a few notches.

 

[The_Stig]

I am more concerned about the reaction of other passengers. I would have hoped that they would have alerted the TM or driver via a PassCom.

I for one would not liked to have been on the train with an idiot in the rear cab.

 

[MidnightFlyer]

I am more concerned about the reaction of other passengers. I would have hoped that they would have alerted the TM or driver via a PassCom.

I for one would not liked to have been on the train with an idiot in the rear cab.

From the Coach A you cannot see this bit directly - there is a fully-plastic opaque door blocking it (I assume he is where the bikes are stored)

 

[Chester025]

Not at all. I'm 16 and am in agreement with NedChester. No doubt Chester025 (Who is also young) will have the same views as I do too.

Sorry only just seen this. I haven't read the full thread yet, but it's rather simple. If you're going to 'trespass' on a line or in another area that you shouldn't really be, you yourself is fully responsible for that. But unfortunately these days it is always someone else’s fault, the railways. I remember reading once that there are very little, if any, fences over in DB land. And guess what, I bet there is alot less trouble over there.

Yes it is wrong, but I don't see all the hang up about it, it'll be there on fault when they're rammed down!

 

[bengley]

Really? His video quite clearly shows that he entered the cab. He wasn't just standing in the doorway.

I'm assuming he filmed that video with his camera rather than his eyes so presumably he's holding his camera some distance from his abdomen.

 

[ralphchadkirk]

I'm assuming he filmed that video with his camera rather than his eyes so presumably he's holding his camera some distance from his abdomen.

Watch it again then. Of course, I could be mistaken and his arm is about a metre long and can bend in all directions.

The first 5 seconds of video confirm my thoughts, as does his description which clearly mentioned he entered the cab, and the last part of the video which shows the camera looking through the right hand side window. Now, I'm not an expert on the layout of a 390's cab, and nor am I an expect on the structure of his arm, but I would bet a lot of money that he went in the cab.

 

[Chester025]

There seems to be an age divide going on on this thread. Some of the older posters who can remember a time when railways weren't fenced off, and when responsible 'trespass' was commonplace seem much more at ease with it than many younger posters, who've grown up in a world of mollycoddling, seeing imaginary danger around every corner, and being treated like idiots by officialdom.

Exactly. I remember once at Kingussie on a 40145 tour coming back from Wick us being allowed to wander over the dissused sidings to get the phots, in the peeing rain too if I remember!. Of course we were only a few feet away from the opposite line where at one point a 170 came past at speed. But did anyone die? No, because people had awareness and didn't wander to places they shouldn't.

Frankly, I'm glad I grew up in a world where management of risk was the responsibility of the individual.

Unfortunatley that is the case these days. In school we've had a new football/basketball pitch layed using astro turf. It's been ready for about a week or two now but people haven't been allowed on because it hasn't been 'assessed'! Why does it need assessing? Kids or evem just people in general fall or trip over, what can you do to prevent that? Or is it just more arse covering?