Train tickets no informed person would buy

mikeg · 27 Apr 2010

I think I read a thread like this earlier:

Here are my candidates:

Thirsk to Harrogate: SVR via Not Leeds: 15.90, CDR via Not Leeds: 17.10
Add to that all of the 'any permitted tickets' as via York, not Leeds is always quicker.
Thirsk to Thornaby CDR 9.90
Thirsk to Dinsdale SDR 8.90 - Changing most of the time at Thornaby...
Darlington to Newcastle, CDR8.90 via Durham, SDR XC only 10.60 , SDR 10.80 via Durham. All trains seem to go via Durham. Would anyone really not pay 20p more for a much more frequent service?

And, for the Thirsk to Harrogate tickets, does anyone actually get sold the CDR or any permitted tickets I wonder?

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northwichcat · 27 Apr 2010

One I'm aware of is

Knutsford-Liverpool:

ANYTIME DAY RETURN
This ticket allows travel on any permitted route.
1 Adult(s) @ £13.90 : £13.90
Total: £13.90

OFF-PEAK RETURN
This ticket allows travel on any permitted route.
1 Adult(s) @ £14.20 : £14.20
Total: £14.20

Permitted routes: Chester, Warrington, Newton-le-Willows

Knutsford-Newton-le-Willows:

ANYTIME DAY RETURN
This ticket allows travel on any permitted route.
1 Adult(s) @ £15.70 : £15.70
Total: £15.70

ANYTIME RETURN
This ticket allows travel on any permitted route.
1 Adult(s) @ £15.90 : £15.90
Total: £15.90

Bill Badger · 27 Apr 2010

Any ticket to Basingstoke

jopsuk · 27 Apr 2010

The infamous Kyle-Newquay ticket?

tony_mac · 27 Apr 2010

A £25 - £42 Preston to Wigan first advance ticket is up there! (£8.50 First Anytime single)

wintonian · 27 Apr 2010

Portsmoth STNS - Cardiff SOR (no off peaks avalible & via Salsbury) £28.20.

Fredom of Severn and Solent rover (FOSS) 3 in 7 £26.50.

With railcard.

yorkie · 27 Apr 2010

Carlisle - Grimsby Any Permitted SVR £75.60
East Country Rover £72.00

wintonian · 27 Apr 2010

Westbury to Avoncilff FDR £9.25 or FDS £4.60

No trains that convey 1st class call at Avoncliff.

Techniquest · 27 Apr 2010

But you could well travel with SWT up to Bradford-on-Avon and change there

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wintonian said:
Portsmoth STNS - Cardiff SOR (no off peaks avalible & via Salsbury) £28.20.

Fredom of Severn and Solent rover (FOSS) 3 in 7 £26.50.

With railcard.

Ah, but if you're travelling before 0900 then you'd be unable to use your rover. Same with the East Country one yorkie commented on, surely.

yorkie · 27 Apr 2010

0845 for NE/NC rovers.

wintonian said:
Westbury to Avoncilff FDR £9.25 or FDS £4.60

No trains that convey 1st class call at Avoncliff.

But you could change at Bath.

premier01 · 28 Apr 2010

tony_mac said:
A £25 - £42 Preston to Wigan first advance ticket is up there! (£8.50 First Anytime single)

There was a First Advance Single for £54 when checking the other day-referred to in post about Preston to Chester tickets!

Techniquest · 28 Apr 2010

yorkie said:
0845 for NE/NC rovers.

But you could change at Bath.

No way would you be permitted to travel to Bath (epic double backing, around 16 miles altogether) on a Westbury to Avoncliff ticket.

As for the NE rover, well what if you wanted to travel at, say, 0630? No chance of using a rover (except an all-liner and on a couple of exceptions on the NW one) at that time

bnm · 28 Apr 2010

jopsuk said:
The infamous Kyle-Newquay ticket?

Ah, but it is now £147 cheaper!! Down from £1068 to £921!

yorkie · 28 Apr 2010

Techniquest said:
No way would you be permitted to travel to Bath (epic double backing, around 16 miles altogether) on a Westbury to Avoncliff ticket.

I was thinking of Avonmouth!

Techniquest said:
As for the NE rover, well what if you wanted to travel at, say, 0630? No chance of using a rover (except an all-liner and on a couple of exceptions on the NW one) at that time

Then you'd split it into a combination of tickets.

It gets worse from Whitehaven and Maryport, the price is £83.10!

wintonian · 28 Apr 2010

Techniquest said:
But you could well travel with SWT up to Bradford-on-Avon and change there
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Ah, but if you're travelling before 0900 then you'd be unable to use your rover. Same with the East Country one yorkie commented on, surely.

Smarty pants.

But would you realy use the limited SWT service and force a change just to go 1st class on a 158?

Ah yes but would your average Joe Public going to cardiff one day (off peak) and comming back a few days later buy a rover? - I suspect not.

Techniquest · 28 Apr 2010

Well aye, pointless move to use the limited SWT service just to get some FC travel on a Westbury to Avoncliff trip.

Most people probably wouldn't buy a rover for a Portsmouth to Cardiff and back journey, agreed. But then most people don't know about rovers anyway.

royaloak · 28 Apr 2010

bnm said:
Ah, but it is now £147 cheaper!! Down from £1068 to £921!

BARGAIN!

Mojo · 28 Apr 2010

Too late CrossCountry; the damage is already done.

voyagerdude220 · 28 Apr 2010

Staying with the previous Cross Country mention:

If travelling on a Leeds to Edinburgh XC Voyager direct:

Leeds to Edinburgh FOR £313.00- Priced by XC

Either:

Wakefield to Edinburgh FOR £246.00- Priced by East Coast
-or-

Leeds to York- £15.10 FDS x2= £30.20+
York to Edinburgh FOR £189.00- XC Only Total= £219.20-

Just under £100 cheaper than the Leeds-Edinburgh FOR priced by XC... :roll:

Ivo · 28 Apr 2010

Speaking of CrossCountry, a large number of "XC ONLY" tickets. One example would be the following:

Exeter St Davids to Paignton (Any Permitted, then XC Only)

FDS: £13.60 - £14.30
SDR: £9.50 - £9.90
SDS: £8.50 - £8.70

...Yes! I know! I'll pay more to limit my options! Ha ha! Genius! :roll:

First class · 28 Apr 2010

XC Only Bristol-Penzance SOR £76.00
Any Permitted SOR is £71.40

Another fare nobody would buy is Burscough Bridge-Burscough Junction. I am surprised a fare actually exists. They are a five minute walk between each other, but on different lines. I don't actually even think any valid routes have first class on it, yet first class fares exist. £12.60 for an SDR between the two takes you on an epic journey through Southport, Liverpool and Ormskirk!!

Question:
No fare exists for Rice Lane - Walton (Merseyside). This is because they are very close together. If a passenger wanted to make this journey by train is their only option to buy two singles, i.e.

Rice Lane- Kirkdale
Kirkdale - Walton (Mersey)?

Rice Lane and Walton stations should be grouped like Bootle Stns.

Lampshade · 28 Apr 2010

Twickenham - St Margarets

You must be extremely lazy to pay rather than walk.

Also, Crewe - Shrewsbury when Chester - Shrewsbury via Crewe is cheaper :?

wintonian · 29 Apr 2010

First class said:
Question:
No fare exists for Rice Lane - Walton (Merseyside). This is because they are very close together. If a passenger wanted to make this journey by train is their only option to buy two singles, i.e.

Can't find a fare Farnbourgh main - Farnborough North

Or

Dorchester South - Dorchester West

So no going to Weymouth and back again - not that you'd want to anyway.

FOR Southampton - Inverness

Not London £616 - Any permited £528

SOR
Not London £280 Any permited £378

ECS and Connections

£168.50

SVR

139.90 -with restriction:

By any train except those
scheduled to depart before
0500.

:?

A60K · 29 Apr 2010

And that restriction rules out getting the 0452 from Southampton to London. I wonder if that was really the intention, and whether anyone inspecting the ticket would either know and/or care if you got that train?

mikeg · 3 May 2010

London to Glasgow SVR, any permitted: 108.40
London to Glasgow SVR, EC and connecting TOC: 183.50

Why do train companies offer these fares? Did Virgin used to be more expesnive?
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Dewsbury to London terminals anytime single 114, anytime single via Manchester 139.50

First class · 3 May 2010

mikeg said:
London to Glasgow SVR, any permitted: 108.40
London to Glasgow SVR, EC and connecting TOC: 183.50

Why do train companies offer these fares? Did Virgin used to be more expesnive?
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Dewsbury to London terminals anytime single 114, anytime single via Manchester 139.50

The £183.50 fare you quote is good value as it is a First Class ticket, and would obviously be more expensive than the standard class one.

GFS - ANYTIME 1S ECC
00027 - EC ONLY

1 Adult @£ 186.50 = £ 186.50
__________
£ 186.50

First Class Single
From : 1072 LONDON TERMINALS
To : 0433 GLASGOW CEN/QST

mikeg · 3 May 2010

Ah I see, I didn't notice it was first class. That is good value!

yorkie · 3 May 2010

A60K said:
And that restriction rules out getting the 0452 from Southampton to London. I wonder if that was really the intention, and whether anyone inspecting the ticket would either know and/or care if you got that train?

I think no, no and no

bb21 · 3 May 2010

wintonian said:
Can't find a fare Farnbourgh main - Farnborough North

Farnborough group stations?

wintonian said:
Dorchester South - Dorchester West

So no going to Weymouth and back again - not that you'd want to anyway.

Dorchester group stations?

They are group stations therefore fares don't exist?

Although w.r.t Dorchester stations fares via there are allowed to double back between Upwey and Weymouth due to an easement.

tony_mac · 3 May 2010

bb21 said:
They are group stations therefore fares don't exist?

No, it's nothing to do with group stations.

Dorchester stations are part of Weymouth group - there are obviously fares between the other stations in the group, Upwey and Weymouth,

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