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TPE Nova 3 (Class 68 + Mk5s) updates and withdrawal from service

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68029/TP12 hasn’t failed.

It’s working today on 1U64/1U67 and then 1U80 1948 Scarborough-Manchester Piccadilly then 5H80 to Longsight.
I had TP12 going to Longsight tonight as well as you. But RTT now shows it finishing at Scarborough station as you state below.
Saturday 28.10.2023
Start of Day position at Scarborough:
TMD
68021/TP10

Station
68025/TP02
68029/TP12

Diagrams (as far as I know, though happy to be corrected)

Diagram 1
ex-Scarborough station
1U24 0546 Scarborough-York (0636)
1U23 0704 York-Scarborough (0753)
1U36 0845 Scarborough-York (0938)
1U35 1003 York-Scarborough (1053)
1U48 1148 Scarborough-York (1238)
1U47 1303 York-Scarborough (1353)
1U60 1448 Scarborough-York (1538)
1U59 1603 York-Scarborough (1654)
1U72 1748 Scarborough-York (1838)
1U71 1903 York-Scarborough (1953)
5U71 2005 Scarborough-Scarborough TMD (2010)

Diagram 2
ex-Scarborough TMD
5U40 0925 SF TMD-Scarborough (0930)
1U40 0948 Scarborough-York (1038)
1U39 1103 York-Scarborough (1153)
1U52 1248 Scarborough-York (1338)
1U51 1403 York-Scarborough (1453)
*Stables Scarborough station*
1K42 2043 Scarborough-York (2132)
1U83 2203 York-Scarborough (2253)

Diagram 3
ex-Scarborough station
1U28 0648 Scarborough-York (0738)
1U27 0803 York-Scarborough (0855)
5U29 0919 Scarborough-Scarborough TMD (0924)
*Fuel and Maintenance*
5U64 1530 Scarborough TMD-Scarborough (1535)
1U64 1548 Scarborough-York (1638)
1U63 1704 York-Scarborough (1753)
1U76 1848 Scarborough-York (1938)
1U75 2003 York-Scarborough (2053)
1U88 2148 Scarborough-York (2238)
1U87 2303 York-Scarborough (2352)

Class 185
1P07 0422 MIA-Scarborough(0732)
1U32 0748 Scarborough -York (0839)
1U31 0905 York-Scarborough(0954)
1U44 1048 Scarborough-York (1138)
1U43 1203 York-Scarborough (1253)
1U56 1348 Scarborough-York (1438)
1U55 1503 York-Scarborough (1553)
1U68 1648 Scarborough-York (1738)
1U67 1803 York-Scarborough (1853)
1U80 1948 Scarborough-York (2038)
1U79 2103 York-Scarborough (2153)
1U98 2245 Scarborough-York (2335)
5U98 0006 York-York Siemens (0035)
So all three sets start and finish at Scarborough tomorrow (Saturday). Could that lead to three sets out on Sunday ?.
I don't know whether there are three Mk5 diagrams on a Sunday ?.

Thanks for the info @sjpowermac.
 
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I had TP12 going to Longsight tonight as well as you. But RTT now shows it finishing at Scarborough station as you state below.

So all three sets start and finish at Scarborough tomorrow (Saturday). Could that lead to three sets out on Sunday ?.
I don't know whether there are three Mk5 diagrams on a Sunday ?.

Thanks for the info @sjpowermac.
Yes, 3 sets booked to be out on Sunday.

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Saturday 28.10.2023
Diagrams as given earlier, allocations at 0120 now included.

For photography:
L = loco leading
T = loco trailing

Diagram 1
68029/TP12
ex-Scarborough station
1U24 0546 Scarborough-York (0636)L
1U23 0704 York-Scarborough (0753)T
1U36 0845 Scarborough-York (0938)L
1U35 1003 York-Scarborough (1053)T
1U48 1148 Scarborough-York (1238)L
1U47 1303 York-Scarborough (1353)T
1U60 1448 Scarborough-York (1538)L
1U59 1603 York-Scarborough (1654)T
1U72 1748 Scarborough-York (1838)L
1U71 1903 York-Scarborough (1953)T
5U71 2005 Scarborough-Scarborough TMD (2010)L

Diagram 2
68021/TP10
ex-Scarborough TMD
5U40 0925 SF TMD-Scarborough (0930)T
1U40 0948 Scarborough-York (1038)L
1U39 1103 York-Scarborough (1153)T
1U52 1248 Scarborough-York (1338)L
1U51 1403 York-Scarborough (1453)T
*Stables Scarborough station*
1K42 2043 Scarborough-York (2132)L
1U83 2203 York-Scarborough (2253)T

Diagram 3
68025/TP02
ex-Scarborough station
1U28 0648 Scarborough-York (0738)L
1U27 0803 York-Scarborough (0855)T
5U29 0919 Scarborough-Scarborough TMD (0924)L
*Fuel and Maintenance*
5U64 1530 Scarborough TMD-Scarborough (1535)T
1U64 1548 Scarborough-York (1638)L
1U63 1704 York-Scarborough (1753)T
1U76 1848 Scarborough-York (1938)L
1U75 2003 York-Scarborough (2053)T
1U88 2148 Scarborough-York (2238)L
1U87 2303 York-Scarborough (2352)T

Class 185 Diagram (unit TBC)
1P07 0422 MIA-Scarborough(0732)
1U32 0748 Scarborough -York (0839)
1U31 0905 York-Scarborough(0954)
1U44 1048 Scarborough-York (1138)
1U43 1203 York-Scarborough (1253)
1U56 1348 Scarborough-York (1438)
1U55 1503 York-Scarborough (1553)
1U68 1648 Scarborough-York (1738)
1U67 1803 York-Scarborough (1853)
1U80 1948 Scarborough-York (2038)
1U79 2103 York-Scarborough (2153)
1U98 2245 Scarborough-York (2335)
5U98 0006 York-York Siemens (0035)
 
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Yes, 3 sets booked to be out on Sunday.

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Saturday 28.10.2023
Diagrams as given earlier, allocations at 0120 now included.

For photography:
L = loco leading
T = loco trailing

Diagram 1
68029/TP12
ex-Scarborough station
1U24 0546 Scarborough-York (0636)L
1U23 0704 York-Scarborough (0753)T
1U36 0845 Scarborough-York (0938)L
1U35 1003 York-Scarborough (1053)T
1U48 1148 Scarborough-York (1238)L
1U47 1303 York-Scarborough (1353)T
1U60 1448 Scarborough-York (1538)L
1U59 1603 York-Scarborough (1654)T
1U72 1748 Scarborough-York (1838)L
1U71 1903 York-Scarborough (1953)T
5U71 2005 Scarborough-Scarborough TMD (2010)L

Diagram 2
68021/TP10
ex-Scarborough TMD
5U40 0925 SF TMD-Scarborough (0930)T
1U40 0948 Scarborough-York (1038)L
1U39 1103 York-Scarborough (1153)T
1U52 1248 Scarborough-York (1338)L
1U51 1403 York-Scarborough (1453)T
*Stables Scarborough station*
1K42 2043 Scarborough-York (2132)L
1U83 2203 York-Scarborough (2253)T

Diagram 3
68028/TP02
ex-Scarborough station
1U28 0648 Scarborough-York (0738)L
1U27 0803 York-Scarborough (0855)T
5U29 0919 Scarborough-Scarborough TMD (0924)L
*Fuel and Maintenance*
5U64 1530 Scarborough TMD-Scarborough (1535)T
1U64 1548 Scarborough-York (1638)L
1U63 1704 York-Scarborough (1753)T
1U76 1848 Scarborough-York (1938)L
1U75 2003 York-Scarborough (2053)T
1U88 2148 Scarborough-York (2238)L
1U87 2303 York-Scarborough (2352)T

Class 185 Diagram (unit TBC)
1P07 0422 MIA-Scarborough(0732)
1U32 0748 Scarborough -York (0839)
1U31 0905 York-Scarborough(0954)
1U44 1048 Scarborough-York (1138)
1U43 1203 York-Scarborough (1253)
1U56 1348 Scarborough-York (1438)
1U55 1503 York-Scarborough (1553)
1U68 1648 Scarborough-York (1738)
1U67 1803 York-Scarborough (1853)
1U80 1948 Scarborough-York (2038)
1U79 2103 York-Scarborough (2153)
1U98 2245 Scarborough-York (2335)
5U98 0006 York-York Siemens (0035)
68028 rather than 68025?
 

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Yes, 3 sets booked to be out on Sunday.

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Saturday 28.10.2023
Diagrams as given earlier, allocations at 0120 now included.

For photography:
L = loco leading
T = loco trailing

Diagram 1
68029/TP12
ex-Scarborough station
1U24 0546 Scarborough-York (0636)L
1U23 0704 York-Scarborough (0753)T
1U36 0845 Scarborough-York (0938)L
1U35 1003 York-Scarborough (1053)T
1U48 1148 Scarborough-York (1238)L
1U47 1303 York-Scarborough (1353)T
1U60 1448 Scarborough-York (1538)L
1U59 1603 York-Scarborough (1654)T
1U72 1748 Scarborough-York (1838)L
1U71 1903 York-Scarborough (1953)T
5U71 2005 Scarborough-Scarborough TMD (2010)L

Diagram 2
68021/TP10
ex-Scarborough TMD
5U40 0925 SF TMD-Scarborough (0930)T
1U40 0948 Scarborough-York (1038)L
1U39 1103 York-Scarborough (1153)T
1U52 1248 Scarborough-York (1338)L
1U51 1403 York-Scarborough (1453)T
*Stables Scarborough station*
1K42 2043 Scarborough-York (2132)L
1U83 2203 York-Scarborough (2253)T

Diagram 3
68025/TP02
ex-Scarborough station
1U28 0648 Scarborough-York (0738)L
1U27 0803 York-Scarborough (0855)T
5U29 0919 Scarborough-Scarborough TMD (0924)L
*Fuel and Maintenance*
5U64 1530 Scarborough TMD-Scarborough (1535)T
1U64 1548 Scarborough-York (1638)L
1U63 1704 York-Scarborough (1753)T
1U76 1848 Scarborough-York (1938)L
1U75 2003 York-Scarborough (2053)T
1U88 2148 Scarborough-York (2238)L
1U87 2303 York-Scarborough (2352)T

Class 185 Diagram (unit TBC)
1P07 0422 MIA-Scarborough(0732)
1U32 0748 Scarborough -York (0839)
1U31 0905 York-Scarborough(0954)
1U44 1048 Scarborough-York (1138)
1U43 1203 York-Scarborough (1253)
1U56 1348 Scarborough-York (1438)
1U55 1503 York-Scarborough (1553)
1U68 1648 Scarborough-York (1738)
1U67 1803 York-Scarborough (1853)
1U80 1948 Scarborough-York (2038)
1U79 2103 York-Scarborough (2153)
1U98 2245 Scarborough-York (2335)
5U98 0006 York-York Siemens (0035)
Thats very good info for everybody.

Question - Is the 185 diagram included to cover a small chance of a Mk5 set getting on it ?.

EDIT 11:00

I just noticed 1P07 only got to Manchester Piccadilly (with 185106). The diagram continues with 1U32 (185126) from Scarborough to York. There is a VST 1G07 that arrived at Scarborough at the time 1P07 was supposed to (RTT does not allude to what was on it). Seems 185126 is carrying on with the diagram according to RTT atm.

EDIT 17:30

Just spotted these :-

Monday Crewe to Longsight.

Tuesday Longsight to Crewe.
 
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Sunday 29th October 2023 diagrams

**Info given in good faith. Subject to change on the day. **

For anyone wanting photos:
L = Loco leading
T = Loco trailing

Diagram 1: 68025/TP02
ex-Scarborough Station
1U36 0848 Scarborough-York (0938)L
1U35 1004 York-Scarborough (1053)T
1U48 1156 Scarborough-York (1246)L
1U47 1303 York-Scarborough (1353)T
5U47 1405 Scarborough-Scarborough TMD (1410)L
5U72 1720 Scarborough TMD-Scarborough (1832)T
1U72 1742 Scarborough-York (1832)L
1U71 1903 York-Scarborough (1953)T
1U84 2048 Scarborough-York (2138)L
1U83 2203 York-Scarborough (2253)T

Diagram 2: 68021/TP10
1U44 1044 Scarborough-York (1134)L
1U43 1203 York-Scarborough (1253)T
1U56 1348 Scarborough-York (1438)L
1U55 1503 York-Scarborough (1553)T
1U68 1643 Scarborough-York (1732)L
1U67 1803 York-Scarborough (1853)T
1U80 1943 Scarborough-York (2033)L
1U79 2106 York-Scarborough (2155)T
5U79 2210 Scarborough-Scarborough TMD (2215)L

Diagram 3: 68029/TP12
5U40 0930 Scarborough TMD-Scarborough (0935)T
1U40 0948 Scarborough-York (1039)L
1U39 1105 York-Scarborough (1154)T
1U52 1243 Scarborough-York (1333)L
1U51 1403 York-Scarborough (1453)T
1U64 1548 Scarborough-York (1638)L
1U63 1703 York-Scarborough (1753)T
1U76 1836 Scarborough-York (1926)L
1U75 2006 York-Scarborough (2055)T

Class 185 diagram
1U31 0934 York-Scarborough (1023)
1U60 1448 Scarborough-York (1538)
1U59 1603 York-Scarborough (1653)
1U88 2148 Scarborough-York (2238)
5W88 2335 York-Ardwick (0137)

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Question - Is the 185 diagram included to cover a small chance of a Mk5 set getting on it ?.
I included the Class 185 diagram so that people know which trains to avoid;)
 
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Sunday 29th October 2023 diagrams

**Info given in good faith. Subject to change on the day. **

Diagram 1
ex-Scarborough Station
1U36 0848 Scarborough-York (0938)
1U35 1004 York-Scarborough (1053)
1U48 1156 Scarborough-York (1246)
1U47 1303 York-Scarborough (1353)
5U47 1405 Scarborough-Scarborough TMD (1410)
5U72 1720 Scarborough TMD-Scarborough (1832)
1U71 1903 York-Scarborough (1953)
1U84 2048 Scarborough-York (2138)
1U83 2203 York-Scarborough (2253)

Diagram 2
1U44 1044 Scarborough-York (1134)
1U43 1203 York-Scarborough (1253)
1U56 1348 Scarborough-York (1438)
1U55 1503 York-Scarborough (1553)
1U68 1643 Scarborough-York (1732)
1U67 1803 York-Scarborough (1853)
1U80 1943 Scarborough-York (2033)
1U79 2106 York-Scarborough (2155)
5U79 2210 Scarborough-Scarborough TMD (2215)

Diagram 3
5U40 0930 Scarborough TMD-Scarborough (0935)
1U40 0948 Scarborough-York (1039)
1U39 1105 York-Scarborough (1154)
1U52 1243 Scarborough-York (1333)
1U51 1403 York-Scarborough (1453)
1U64 1548 Scarborough-York (1638)
1U63 1703 York-Scarborough (1753)
1U76 1836 Scarborough-York (1926)
1U75 2006 York-Scarborough (2055)

Class 185 diagram
1U31 0934 York-Scarborough (1023)
1U60 1448 Scarborough-York (1538)
1U59 1603 York-Scarborough (1653)
1U88 2148 Scarborough-York (2238)
5W88 2335 York-Ardwick (0137)

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I included the Class 185 diagram so that people know which trains to avoid;)
Thanks again.

And yes 75% Mk5s at the weekend looks rather healthy !.
 

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Saturday 28.10.2023
Start of Day position at Scarborough:
TMD
68021/TP10

Station
68025/TP02
68029/TP12

Diagrams (as far as I know, though happy to be corrected)

Diagram 1
ex-Scarborough station
1U24 0546 Scarborough-York (0636)
1U23 0704 York-Scarborough (0753)
1U36 0845 Scarborough-York (0938)
1U35 1003 York-Scarborough (1053)
1U48 1148 Scarborough-York (1238)
1U47 1303 York-Scarborough (1353)
1U60 1448 Scarborough-York (1538)
1U59 1603 York-Scarborough (1654)
1U72 1748 Scarborough-York (1838)
1U71 1903 York-Scarborough (1953)
5U71 2005 Scarborough-Scarborough TMD (2010)

Diagram 2
ex-Scarborough TMD
5U40 0925 SF TMD-Scarborough (0930)
1U40 0948 Scarborough-York (1038)
1U39 1103 York-Scarborough (1153)
1U52 1248 Scarborough-York (1338)
1U51 1403 York-Scarborough (1453)
*Stables Scarborough station*
1K42 2043 Scarborough-York (2132)
1U83 2203 York-Scarborough (2253)

Diagram 3
ex-Scarborough station
1U28 0648 Scarborough-York (0738)
1U27 0803 York-Scarborough (0855)
5U29 0919 Scarborough-Scarborough TMD (0924)
*Fuel and Maintenance*
5U64 1530 Scarborough TMD-Scarborough (1535)
1U64 1548 Scarborough-York (1638)
1U63 1704 York-Scarborough (1753)
1U76 1848 Scarborough-York (1938)
1U75 2003 York-Scarborough (2053)
1U88 2148 Scarborough-York (2238)
1U87 2303 York-Scarborough (2352)

Class 185
1P07 0422 MIA-Scarborough(0732)
1U32 0748 Scarborough -York (0839)
1U31 0905 York-Scarborough(0954)
1U44 1048 Scarborough-York (1138)
1U43 1203 York-Scarborough (1253)
1U56 1348 Scarborough-York (1438)
1U55 1503 York-Scarborough (1553)
1U68 1648 Scarborough-York (1738)
1U67 1803 York-Scarborough (1853)
1U80 1948 Scarborough-York (2038)
1U79 2103 York-Scarborough (2153)
1U98 2245 Scarborough-York (2335)
5U98 0006 York-York Siemens (0035)
Being used on ridiculously captive and unproductive branch line diagrams right up until the very end then. These things really were a white elephant order.
 

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Being used on ridiculously captive and unproductive branch line diagrams right up until the very end then. These things really were a white elephant order.
I have to be honest and say that I am struggling to see either the logic or intent of your post, but I will try.

I know that on the day, allocations appear on Real Time Trains. I posted the diagrams the day before in order to help any enthusiasts that might be reading the thread and wanted to either ride or photograph the Class 68s.

Today, due to engineering work, services between York and Leeds are diverted via Castleford. Capacity on that route isn’t sufficient to handle the full timetable and hence trains from Scarborough terminate at York.

I hope that helps you, but if you have any further questions, I will try my best to answer them for you.
 

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I have to be honest and say that I am struggling to see either the logic or intent of your post, but I will try.

[…]

Today, due to engineering work, services between York and Leeds are diverted via Castleford. Capacity on that route isn’t sufficient to handle the full timetable and hence trains from Scarborough terminate at York.

I hope that helps you, but if you have any further questions, I will try my best to answer them for you.
Sorry? I have not asked a question, I have commented that they are still being wasted on York Scarborough shuttles right until the bitter end? If it’s down to engineering work, it’s more forgivable. But York to Scarborough all day is indeed the most captive and unproductive possible diagram TransPennine could create! I’m not sure what’s wrong with saying that; you yourself have criticised TPE for the exact same thing.

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I know that on the day, allocations appear on Real Time Trains. I posted the diagrams the day before in order to help any enthusiasts that might be reading the thread and wanted to either ride or photograph the Class 68s.
I know that, and that’s very kind of you… what’s that got to do with me saying TPE aren’t using them on productive workings? :lol:
 
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Being used on ridiculously captive and unproductive branch line diagrams right up until the very end then. These things really were a white elephant order.
It's obvious that TPE are not running the same timetable as what was planned when these were ordered.
Due to Covid and the more recent issues with staffing the timetable is much reduced hence stock utilisation.

They were also meant to replace half the 185s which never went off lease.
In hindsight they shouldn't have been ordered, but hindsight is a wonderful thing, and no one could have predicted global events.

The 701s are even more of a white elephant, they ordered far too many for the current level of service, and they are yet to enter service, at least the 68s have actually been used in passenger service :lol:
 

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Being used on ridiculously captive and unproductive branch line diagrams right up until the very end then. These things really were a white elephant order.
The Mk5s usually do services across the Pennines as well, at least enough to get them to/from Longsight.

The very end for the Mk5s is June 2024 (lease ends) BUT their use finishes at the December 2023 timetable change. Or will it !.

But it is a sad state of affairs, blame Covid and a new design vs an established design (80Xs). But will TPE manage without the Mk5s ?.

.................

I know that on the day, allocations appear on Real Time Trains. I posted the diagrams the day before in order to help any enthusiasts that might be reading the thread and wanted to either ride or photograph the Class 68s.
Yes, the advance notice can be very useful for those of us who have to travel far. It is either that or look at RTT at 3am in the morning and make rushed plans (coach at dawn in my case) involving little sleep.
Today, due to engineering work, services between York and Leeds are diverted via Castleford. Capacity on that route isn’t sufficient to handle the full timetable and hence trains from Scarborough terminate at York.

...............
Yes, I am used to seeing the Mk5s get across the Pennines and thought this weekend must be different - pesky engineering work, how dare they :lol:.
In reality I feel sorry for those out in the field this weekend - not very nice weather for outdoors :!:.
 
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FTR the restriction of use at Leeds has now been extended to Friday 3rd November and still covers Platforms 12, 14, 15, 16 & the Through Line.
 

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Any ideas what locos out tomorrow and on what diagrams please?
 

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Any ideas what locos out tomorrow and on what diagrams please?
If and its a big IF locos remain on diagrams today then 025 & 029 end up at Scarborough this evening.
029 ends up on the depot so this one should come out tomorrow for the 17:48 Scarborough to Leeds.
025 should end up stabled in the Station overnight along with a 185 as it stands, one works the 05:48 to Leeds & the other the 06:48 to Manchester.
The Longsight/Manchester starters won't be known until the morning.
However things change during the day so the best thing to do is to check RTT in the morning for all the allocations.
 

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If and its a big IF locos remain on diagrams today then 025 & 029 end up at Scarborough this evening.
029 ends up on the depot so this one should come out tomorrow for the 17:48 Scarborough to Leeds.
025 should end up stabled in the Station overnight along with a 185 as it stands, one works the 05:48 to Leeds & the other the 06:48 to Manchester.
The Longsight/Manchester starters won't be known until the morning.
However things change during the day so the best thing to do is to check RTT in the morning for all the allocations.
Thanks for the info.
 

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68021 is overnight at Longsight
68023 and 68025 are currently booked overnight at scarbados
68029 has ended up on K42 back to Victoria so overnight at longsight
185122 has come ecs from York and is the overnight stayer.
 

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Any ideas what locos out tomorrow and on what diagrams please?

01/11/2023 as at 07:30hrs

185145

1U29 06.27 MAN - YRK
ECS to SCA TMD then SCA
1U64 15.48 SCA - YRK
1U67 18.03 YRK - SCA
ECS to YRK
1U83 22.03 YRK - SCA

68025/TP02
1U28 06.48 SCA - MAN
1U39 09.35 MAN - SCA
1U52 12.48 SCA - MAN
1U63 15.35 MAN - SCA
1K42 20.43 SCA - MCV

68021/TP10
1U23 05.35 MAN - SCA
1U36 08.45 SCA - MAN
1U47 11.35 MAN - SCA
1U60 14.48 SCA - MAN
1U71 17.30 MAN - SCA

68023/TP09
1U72 17.48 SCA - LDS
1U75 19.34 LDS - SCA
1U88 21.48 SCA - YRK
1U87 23.03 YRK - SCA

185122
1U24 05.48 SCA - LDS
1U27 07.19 LDS - SCA
1U40 09.48 SCA - YRK
1U43 12.03 YRK - SCA
1U56 13.48 SCA - YRK
1U59 16.04 YRK - SCA
1U80 19.48 SCA - MAN CANCELLED
 

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01/11/2023 as at 07:30hrs

185145

1U29 06.27 MAN - YRK
ECS to SCA TMD then SCA
1U64 15.48 SCA - YRK
1U67 18.03 YRK - SCA
ECS to YRK
1U83 22.03 YRK - SCA

68025/TP02
1U28 06.48 SCA - MAN
1U39 09.35 MAN - SCA
1U52 12.48 SCA - MAN
1U63 15.35 MAN - SCA
1K42 20.43 SCA - MCV

68021/TP10
1U23 05.35 MAN - SCA
1U36 08.45 SCA - MAN
1U47 11.35 MAN - SCA
1U60 14.48 SCA - MAN
1U71 17.30 MAN - SCA

68023/TP09
1U72 17.48 SCA - LDS
1U75 19.34 LDS - SCA
1U88 21.48 SCA - YRK
1U87 23.03 YRK - SCA

185122
1U24 05.48 SCA - LDS
1U27 07.19 LDS - SCA
1U40 09.48 SCA - YRK
1U43 12.03 YRK - SCA
1U56 13.48 SCA - YRK
1U59 16.04 YRK - SCA
1U80 19.48 SCA - MAN CANCELLED
That's great, thanks very much.
 

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Wow.... 2 Nova3 links over the pennines all day. Are things improving?
Just varies from day to day, most of the time it's down to how many sets those in charge of the sets at LO can be bothered to allow out and if the sets they do put out actually work, there's been a few instances lately with sets coming off there making it to Piccadilly then seemingly having issues (not all set/loco issues either, human error issues) LO then just say return the set back to depot which leads to a 185 picking up the diagram instead.
 

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Wow.... 2 Nova3 links over the pennines all day. Are things improving?
Seems to have settled down during October to one set starting its diagram from Manchester and one set ending its diagram in Manchester both with the few long trips Scarborough/Manchester during the day. The third set stays on the East side of the Pennines.

Logic implies that for three sets to be out each day there will be :-

First set starting from Manchester,
Second set doing a days worth starting and ending in Scarborough and
Third set on its way back to Manchester.

Also bear in mind that if a set fails to start its day from Manchester then that means three days in a row will be one set less than three. Exception is if a set on the third diagram, so due to return to Manchester, cuts short and finishes at Scarborough. Then there will be three the next day.

It does seem that the east side is more capable of running the Mk5s. I think there are plenty of trained staff at the York/Scarborough end. The weakness is getting the right staff to run across the Pennines. Bear in mind that a crew don't do the whole journey Machester to/from Scarborough. I think crew change happens at York but maybe also Leeds. That is the way TPE wanted it - crew learning less routes (well mileage thereof). But there lies the path to inflexibility.

EDIT 14:05

I know 68027 + TP13 came back from Crewe to Manchester on Monday 30/10/2023.

Yesterday a set went to Crewe from Longsight (edit 68026 + TP05).

Today a set went from Crewe to Longsight.

EDIT 17:55

In fact FOUR sets out Monday AND Yesterday (Tuesday) !.
TP02, TP09, TP10 & TP12.
Just done my homework.
 
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I know 68027 + TP13 came back from Crewe to Manchester on Monday 30/10/2023.

Yesterday a set went to Crewe from Longsight (edit 68026 + TP05).

Today a set went from Crewe to Longsight.
68028 + set returned to Longsight today.
 

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Thanks, does anyone know which set would now be with 68028 ?.
TP07, 030 was meant to go onto that set last week but had coupling issues.

In a change to the earlier allocations 68021/TP10 is currently working 1K42 20:43 SCA-MCV vice 025.
 

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TP07, 030 was meant to go onto that set last week but had coupling issues.

In a change to the earlier allocations 68021/TP10 is currently working 1K42 20:43 SCA-MCV vice 025.
Thankyou.
Time to keep an eye out for the diagrams of TP07, my last set - if it finds a working railway to run on (storms) !.
 
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Thankyou.
Time to keep an eye out for the diagrams of TP07, my last set - if it finds a working railway to run on (storms) !.
Allocations as of 0530 on 02.11.2023
68028/TP07
(First working in passenger service since 02.09.2023)

L = Loco leading
T = Loco trailing

5U29 0604 Longsight-Manchester Piccadilly L
0627 Manchester Piccadilly-York T
5U29 0824 York-Scarborough TMD L
5U64 1530 Scarborough TMD-Scarborough T
1U64 1548 Scarborough-York L
1U67 1803 York-Scarborough T
5U78 2023 Scarborough-York L
1U83 2203 York-Scarborough T

68029/TP12
5U23 0511 Longsight-Manchester Piccadilly L
1U23 0535 Manchester Piccadilly-Scarborough T
1U36 0845 Scarborough-Manchester Piccadilly L
1U47 1135 Manchester Piccadilly-Scarborough T
1U60 1448 Scarborough-Manchester Piccadilly L
1U71 1730 Manchester Piccadilly-Scarborough T
5U71 2230 Scarborough-Scarborough TMD L

68023/TP09
1U72 1748 Scarborough-Leeds T
1U75 1934 Leeds-Scarborough T
1U88 2148 Scarborough-York L
1U87 2303 York-Scarborough T
 
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FTR the restriction of use at Leeds has now been extended to Friday 3rd November and still covers Platforms 12, 14, 15, 16 & the Through Line.
amended to Friday 17th November, TPE Class 68 workings restricted to use Platforms 8, 9 & 11 only.
 

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0627 Manchester Piccadilly-York T
5U29 0824 York-Scarborough TMD L
Apologies if this is covered further back in the thread, but how are these workings routed? Presumably one of the workings takes an unconventional route, as otherwise both would be oriented the same way?

Or is it just a typo with the L/T?
 

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Apologies if this is covered further back in the thread, but how are these workings routed? Presumably one of the workings takes an unconventional route, as otherwise both would be oriented the same way?

Or is it just a typo with the L/T?
expect it's a typo, loco would be on the rear to Scarborough but leading onto the depot.

028/TP07 are expected to remain on the depot for the rest of the day now as P1 at Scarborough is now signed out of use to all movements* P/way were not able to inspect it as planned earlier due to 68023/TP09 being stabled in the platform, 68023/TP09 are *authorised to leave the platform and will now work
1U64 1548 Scarborough-York
1U67 1803 York-Scarborough
5U78 2023 Scarborough-York
1U83 2203 York-Scarborough

Both 1U80/1K42 are 185's this evening to due train crew not signing 68's.

Currently 68025/TP02 & 68028/TP07 are on Scarborough Depot.

68023/TP09 & 68029/TP12 will end up stabled in Scarborough station overnight so just the 4 sets down the Coast overnight.
 
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