TPE Nova 3 (Class 68 + Mk5s) updates and withdrawal from service

[EZJ]

Probably 185 on 1U28 tomorrow.

Driver on 1U28 tomorrow no longer signs 68/Mk5's so it's pretty much nailed on for a 185 I'm afraid.

 

[Peter Sarf]

Driver on 1U28 tomorrow no longer signs 68/Mk5's so it's pretty much nailed on for a 185 I'm afraid.

I fear any gradual run down has just become less gradual.

 

[cactustwirly]

If the DfT/Chiltern/ROSCO are thinking about prolonging the running of locomotive-hauled services on the Chiltern Main Line, honestly more fool them. Westminster are already unhappy with them, as are the locals, and there are perfectly suitable other DMUs available which'll be far less polluting and noisy. Although discussing this should probably be done elsewhere.

Have any MK5 rakes gone off lease yet, does anyone know?

There aren't any spare FLIRTs, 19x or 80x to lease are there?
Anything older would have an older engine that produces more emissions and particulates.

 

[68011]

So not looking too hopeful for my planned trip on 1U28 tomorrow morning.

No, 68025/TP02 are confirmed as working 1U80 across the Pennines this evening therefore there are no sets at Scarborough other than 68029/TP12 which is on Scarborough TMD, that one is down for a one way ECS move to Longsight whenever they decide to move it.

current status as of 20:30hrs 25/10

68021/TP10 - LO
68023/TP09 - LO
68024 - LO
68025/TP02 - 1U80 to MAN
68026/TP05 - LO
68027/TP08 - LO
68028 - Crewe GB on repairs
68029/TP12 - Scarborough TMD, that one is down for a one way ECS move to Longsight whenever they decide to move it
68030/TP11 - Crewe South Yard
68032 - Crewe GB on repairs

Sets with no locos
TP01 - Wolverton
TP03/TP06/TP07/TP13 - Crewe South Yard
TP04 - LO

These workings ended up being cancelled today
68027/TP08 5Q42 Longsight to Crewe South Yard
68030/TP11 5Q33 Crewe South Yard to Longsight

Thursday 26/10
1U29 ex MAN should be a 185 so likely only one set out again tomorrow starting on 1U23 05:35 MAN-SCA

 

[170UTD]

TPE Class 68 fleet list (as of 15th October 2023)

68019 "Brutus"
68020 "Reliance"
68021 "Tireless"
68022 "Resolution"
68023 "Achilles"
68024 "Centaur"
68025 "Superb"
68026 "Enterprise"
68027 "Splendid"
68028 "Lord President"
68029 "Courageous"
68030 "Black Douglas"
68031 "Felix"
68032 "Destroyer"

Bold indicates that the locomotive still in service with TPE

Please let me know about any mistakes and updates

I've put all the locos in Bold as they're still part of the TPE pool. I'll update it again, when they start to get returned to DRS nearer December. Any updates or corrections would be appreciated.

 

[68011]

I've put all the locos in Bold as they're still part of the TPE pool. I'll update it again, when they start to get returned to DRS nearer December. Any updates or corrections would be appreciated.

Well you've got 020 & 025 wrong, the ones in the XHTP pool for use with DRS are 019, 020, 022 & 031

025 hasn't been out of the TPEX pool, It was at Stoke Marcroft for work then returned to LO on Monday and returned to traffic yesterday.

 

[Peter Sarf]

No, 68025/TP02 are confirmed as working 1U80 across the Pennines this evening therefore there are no sets at Scarborough other than 68029/TP12 which is on Scarborough TMD, that one is down for a one way ECS move to Longsight whenever they decide to move it.

current status as of 20:30hrs 25/10

68021/TP10 - LO
68023/TP09 - LO
68024 - LO
68025/TP02 - 1U80 to MAN
68026/TP05 - LO
68027/TP08 - LO
68028 - Crewe GB on repairs
68029/TP12 - Scarborough TMD, that one is down for a one way ECS move to Longsight whenever they decide to move it
68030/TP11 - Crewe South Yard
68032 - Crewe GB on repairs

Sets with no locos
TP01 - Wolverton
TP03/TP06/TP07/TP13 - Crewe South Yard
TP04 - LO

These workings ended up being cancelled today
68027/TP08 5Q42 Longsight to Crewe South Yard
68030/TP11 5Q33 Crewe South Yard to Longsight

Thursday 26/10
1U29 ex MAN should be a 185 so likely only one set out again tomorrow starting on 1U23 05:35 MAN-SCA

My bold.

That means with effectively no Mk5s at Scarborough for start of play tomorrow (Thursday) it could be a very slim provision. Hopefully just a blip but with nothing leaving Longsight for the East today I am intrigued. One Two sets did come from Crewe this week (one on Monday and one on Wednesday) with one two going the other way.

So today did we lose TP12 and what ever set was expected off Longsight ?.

All eyes on 1U23 and/or 1U29 tomorrow as I wonder what they will produce from Manchester (Longsight).

EDITED 10:25 0n 26/10/2023 the exchanges Longsight/Crewe South Yard expected 25/10/2023 were cancelled.

 

[CAF397]

Prohibited Platform 12 upwards, They are hoping the restriction will be lifted for start of service next Monday.

Those services that do run through Leeds are using alternative platforms such as 1U24/1U27 which used platform 11 this morning.

Reduced to just 15/16 as per my initial post.

 

[Russel]

Are these seeing much use on Saturdays?

 

[68011]

Reduced to just 15/16 as per my initial post.

Still shown as at 02:00hrs this morning 68's are not permitted to use platforms 12 to 16.

No updated Restriction of Use seen to show that it now only effects P15 & P16.

1U23 was delayed outside Leeds this morning as it was shown arriving into P12D which isn't permitted, It was amended to arrive into Platform 11B but had to wait for 2N02 to depart from platform 11C at 06:47 before it could get into Leeds.

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My bold.

That means with effectively no Mk5s at Scarborough for start of play tomorrow (Thursday) it could be a very slim provision. Hopefully just a blip but with nothing leaving Longsight for the East today I am intrigued. Two sets did come from Crewe this week (one on Monday and one on Wednesday) with two going the other way.

So today did we lose TP12 and what ever set was expected off Longsight ?.

All eyes on 1U23 and/or 1U29 tomorrow as I wonder what they will produce from Manchester (Longsight).

68029/TP12 have been out of use since Saturday morning, 029 worked 1P05 over from Manchester having been fuelled on LO, As per the diagram on arrival at York 1P05 ran ECS to Scarborough Depot where for whatever reason it was fuelled again however the result of that was it was over fuelled (fuel all over the fuel tank and and other parts of the loco as seen at York after working 1U44) it later came off the depot as booked working 1U44 10:48 SCA-YRK but on arrival at York the train crew thought it had an oil leak so was taken out of traffic, it later ran ECS from York to Scarborough Depot where its been stabled since awaiting a move back to LO.

As per my post above 1U29 was expected to be a 185 and was 185129, 1U23 was 68025 so just the one set out today, the rest of the diagrams are covered by single 185's.

Also as per my post the Wednesday moves from Longsight to Crewe South Yard and return were cancelled, 68030 ran from Crewe GB Depot to the South Yard where it should have been attached to TP11 and now awaits movement to LO, 68027 & TP08 were seen on Longsight yesterday afternoon 15:50hrs

 

[Peter Sarf]

Still shown as at 02:00hrs this morning 68's are not permitted to use platforms 12 to 16.

No updated Restriction of Use seen to show that it now only effects P15 & P16.

1U23 was delayed outside Leeds this morning as it was shown arriving into P12D which isn't permitted, It was amended to arrive into Platform 11B but had to wait for 2N02 to depart from platform 11C at 06:47 before it could get into Leeds.

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68029/TP12 have been out of use since Saturday morning, 029 worked 1P05 over from Manchester having been fuelled on LO, As per the diagram on arrival at York 1P05 ran ECS to Scarborough Depot where for whatever reason it was fuelled again however the result of that was it was over fuelled (fuel all over the fuel tank and and other parts of the loco as seen at York after working 1U44) it later came off the depot as booked working 1U44 10:48 SCA-YRK but on arrival at York the train crew thought it had an oil leak so was taken out of traffic, it later ran ECS from York to Scarborough Depot where its been stabled since awaiting a move back to LO.

As per my post above 1U29 was expected to be a 185 and was 185129, 1U23 was 68025 so just the one set out today, the rest of the diagrams are covered by single 185's.

Also as per my post the Wednesday moves from Longsight to Crewe South Yard and return were cancelled, 68030 ran from Crewe GB Depot to the South Yard where it should have been attached to TP11 and now awaits movement to LO, 68027 & TP08 were seen on Longsight yesterday afternoon 15:50hrs

Thanks for the info re TP12+6802968030. Perhaps a low oil reading was read as low fuel oil ?.

I had overlooked you said the exchanges yesterday (26/10/2023) were cancelled .

Generally the service seems to have settled down to three sets out per day (excluding Sundays) for the last couple of weeks. Though of course it has just dipped which will happen every time Longsight does not send a set out on a generally three day cycle. Plus TP12+68030 out of action at Scarborough. I have not seen four out on one day since Friday 13/10/2023 but my checks are maybe not 100%.

I have been trying to keep up on TPE Mk5 activities at the Scarborough end and extrapolating back to Manchester. York seems to be the best place to see them and when one comes off Longsight it very generally spends three days out East.

So far, as expected, only 1U23 has produced a set from Longsight.

I assume it is the availability of the right crew that dictates what happens from the West side of the Pennines ?.

EDITed - correction to TP12.

 

[68011]

Thanks for the info re TP12+68030. Perhaps a low oil reading was read as low fuel oil ?.

I assume it is the availability of the right crew that dictates what happens from the West side of the Pennines ?.

TP12 & 68029.
Yes some jobs are covered with overtime and not necessarily with drivers from a link that has Class 68 competency.

The availability of sets also dictates what happens and this week hasn't been great so far.

 

[CAF397]

Still shown as at 02:00hrs this morning 68's are not permitted to use platforms 12 to 16.

No updated Restriction of Use seen to show that it now only effects P15 & P16.

 

[Peter Sarf]

TP12 & 68029.
Yes some jobs are covered with overtime and not necessarily with drivers from a link that has Class 68 competency.

The availability of sets also dictates what happens and this week hasn't been great so far.

Thanks. And updated my TP12 error (you know your getting older when.....).

As for the problem at Leeds - are two different sources of official information varying ?.

 

[68011]

Thanks. And updated my TP12 error (you know your getting older when.....).

As for the problem at Leeds - are two different sources of official information varying ?.

No problem

Initially it was just P15 & P16 restricted in the early hours of Tuesday morning, that was changed from breakfast time Tuesday to include P12 and above and hasn't been changed since.

As i said earlier 1U23 was held outside Leeds this morning to await platform 11 to become free when it could have gone through P12

1U36 08:45 Scarborough to Leeds used P11 10:07-10:09 (booked 10:03-10:07)

No 68 workings have used P12 or above since the restriction of use came out yesterday morning.

 

[170UTD]

Well you've got 020 & 025 wrong, the ones in the XHTP pool for use with DRS are 019, 020, 022 & 031

025 hasn't been out of the TPEX pool, It was at Stoke Marcroft for work then returned to LO on Monday and returned to traffic yesterday.

Thanks. There's so much conflicting information going around. I can't remember how I wrote it to start with. I've updated it again.

 

[43 302]

CAF397, I can assure you that is out of date already. Correct restriction mentioned above by 68011.

 

[CAF397]

Good job I don't drive any trains through Leeds then! As that was the notice posted yesterday when I signed on.

 

[43 302]

Good job I don't drive any trains through Leeds then! As that was the notice posted yesterday when I signed on.

Usual British Railway efficiency then

 

[Peter Sarf]

Spotted this in RTT for Friday.
Longsight to Crewe, probably TPE Mk5s ?.
Nothing in the opposite direction.

 

[Spartacus]

Spotted this in RTT for Friday.
Longsight to Crewe, probably TPE Mk5s ?.
Nothing in the opposite direction.

68027 & TP08

 

[sjpowermac]

Class 68s TPEX pool at 0630
68021/TP10 1U23 0535 MAN-SCA
68023/TP09 Longsight
68024 Longsight
68025/TP02 Scarborough TMD
68026/TP05 Longsight
68027/TP08 Longsight
68028 Crewe Gresty Bridge
68029/TP12 Scarborough TMD
68030 Crewe South Yard
68032 Crewe Gresty Bridge

Sets with no loco
Longsight TP04 (25.09.2023)
*Possibly paired with 68024

Crewe South Yard
TP03 (13.10.2023)
TP06 (18.10.2023)
TP07 (11.10.2023)
TP11 (02.09.2023)
TP13 (23.10.2023)



Class 68s XHTP pool at 0630
68019 Toton North Yard
68020 Crewe Basford Hall
68022 Carlisle Kingmoor
68031 Carlisle Kingmoor

 

[Peter Sarf]

68027 & TP08

Thanks for that.

Class 68s TPEX pool at 0630
68021/TP10 1U23 0535 MAN-SCA
68023/TP09 Longsight
68024 Longsight
68025/TP02 Scarborough TMD
68026/TP05 Longsight
68027/TP08 Longsight
68028 Crewe Gresty Bridge
68029/TP12 Scarborough TMD
68030 Crewe South Yard
68032 Crewe Gresty Bridge

Sets with no loco
Longsight TP04 (25.09.2023)
*Possibly paired with 68024

Crewe South Yard
TP03 (13.10.2023)
TP06 (18.10.2023)
TP07 (11.10.2023)
TP11 (02.09.2023)
TP13 (23.10.2023)



Class 68s XHTP pool at 0630
68019 Toton North Yard
68020 Crewe Basford Hall
68022 Carlisle Kingmoor
68031 Carlisle Kingmoor

Thanks for the current picture.

I am left wondering if another set will head to Longsight from Crewe South Yard to balance TP08+68027 leaving for Crewe South Yard today ?.

As we could expect (hope) two sets in action today as Longsight has sent one out today and one out yesterday. So three tomorrow (Saturday) or at least on the next weekday. I have a feeling two on a Sunday is the current norm and three on Monday-Saturday.

I suppose that recovery might dip when a crew are required to bring back the failed TP12+68029. If its 68029 unwell then maybe another 68 sent to Scarborough might be a clue ?. Might just be a bit of fitter attention though as The suspected oil leak could be the surplus diesel needing cleaning up and/or no more than a loose wire on an oil pressure gauge/sender !.

EDIT 12:00 on 27/10/2023

It lives (according to RTT) !.
TP12+68029
Ventures out on 5U64 TMD to Stn, 1U64 Sca to York, 1U67 to Sca, then jumps pattern/diagram onto 1U59 (swaped with TP02) to Manchester Piccadilly. Changed RTT now say 5U78 to York and lastly 1U83 to Scarborough.

Which means.
TP02 does not make it back to Longsight tonight having drifted onto TP12s pattern/diagram ending up at Scarborough Station.

Seen that sort of swap happen before.

So three out today - (current) normality has been resumed !.

 

[sjpowermac]

Thanks for that.

Thanks for the current picture.

I am left wondering if another set will head to Longsight from Crewe South Yard to balance TP08+68027 leaving for Crewe South Yard today ?.

As we could expect (hope) two sets in action today as Longsight has sent one out today and one out yesterday. So three tomorrow (Saturday) or at least on the next weekday. I have a feeling two on a Sunday is the current norm and three on Monday-Saturday.

I suppose that recovery might dip when a crew are required to bring back the failed TP12+68029. If its 68029 unwell then maybe another 68 sent to Scarborough might be a clue ?. Might just be a bit of fitter attention though as The suspected oil leak could be the surplus diesel needing cleaning up and/or no more than a loose wire on an oil pressure gauge/sender !.

68029/TP12 hasn’t failed.

It’s working today on 1U64/1U67 and then 1U80 1948 Scarborough-Manchester Piccadilly then 5H80 to Longsight.

 

[Peter Sarf]

68029/TP12 hasn’t failed.

It’s working today on 1U64/1U67 and then 1U80 1948 Scarborough-Manchester Piccadilly then 5H80 to Longsight.

Ah, Indeed, you must have been typing that while I was updating my post with what I was discovering on RTT !.

So three out today. Which is what I call the new healthy ?.
But happy to be corrected upwards.
Do we know what Longsight is getting from Crewe next, there is a space ?.

 

[50032]

Thanks for that.

Thanks for the current picture.

I am left wondering if another set will head to Longsight from Crewe South Yard to balance TP08+68027 leaving for Crewe South Yard today ?.

As we could expect (hope) two sets in action today as Longsight has sent one out today and one out yesterday. So three tomorrow (Saturday) or at least on the next weekday. I have a feeling two on a Sunday is the current norm and three on Monday-Saturday.

Just a point of interest. RTT would suggest there are no 68 diagrams off Longsight on Saturdays now until 11/11, and none on Sundays until 26/11. So whatever ends up at Scarborough tonight could be providing the only weekend workings / staying up there until Monday.

 

[Peter Sarf]

Just a point of interest. RTT would suggest there are no 68 diagrams off Longsight on Saturdays now until 11/11, and none on Sundays until 26/11. So whatever ends up at Scarborough tonight could be providing the only weekend workings / staying up there until Monday.

Thats a point. Last Saturday it was 1P05 Manchester Piccadilly to York which was an ALTERED WTT schedule. So might not show up yet (or might not happen again).




I would rather it went back to up to four sets out per day or even five as per my "simplifier". But the pessimist in me says its going to get more and more flakey as we approach the end (December timetable change).

 

[50032]

Thats a point. Last Saturday it was 1P05 Manchester Piccadilly to York which was an ALTERED WTT schedule. So might not show up yet (or might not happen again).

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That's wishful thinking I'm afraid. STP diagram changes are inputted a number of weeks in advance. There's 5P05 from Ardwick TMD to form 1P05 tomorrow. Not saying it couldn't be a 68 as a last minute change, but it's not planned to be.

 

[Peter Sarf]

That's wishful thinking I'm afraid. STP diagram changes are inputted a number of weeks in advance. There's 5P05 from Ardwick TMD to form 1P05 tomorrow. Not saying it couldn't be a 68 as a last minute change, but it's not planned to be.

Oh well. And anyway it is more likely a 185 will appear where a Mk5 set should than the other way round.

 

[sjpowermac]

Saturday 28.10.2023
Start of Day position at Scarborough:
TMD
68021/TP10

Station
68025/TP02
68029/TP12

Diagrams (as far as I know, though happy to be corrected)

Diagram 1
ex-Scarborough station
1U24 0546 Scarborough-York (0636)
1U23 0704 York-Scarborough (0753)
1U36 0845 Scarborough-York (0938)
1U35 1003 York-Scarborough (1053)
1U48 1148 Scarborough-York (1238)
1U47 1303 York-Scarborough (1353)
1U60 1448 Scarborough-York (1538)
1U59 1603 York-Scarborough (1654)
1U72 1748 Scarborough-York (1838)
1U71 1903 York-Scarborough (1953)
5U71 2005 Scarborough-Scarborough TMD (2010)

Diagram 2
ex-Scarborough TMD
5U40 0925 SF TMD-Scarborough (0930)
1U40 0948 Scarborough-York (1038)
1U39 1103 York-Scarborough (1153)
1U52 1248 Scarborough-York (1338)
1U51 1403 York-Scarborough (1453)
*Stables Scarborough station*
1K42 2043 Scarborough-York (2132)
1U83 2203 York-Scarborough (2253)

Diagram 3
ex-Scarborough station
1U28 0648 Scarborough-York (0738)
1U27 0803 York-Scarborough (0855)
5U29 0919 Scarborough-Scarborough TMD (0924)
*Fuel and Maintenance*
5U64 1530 Scarborough TMD-Scarborough (1535)
1U64 1548 Scarborough-York (1638)
1U63 1704 York-Scarborough (1753)
1U76 1848 Scarborough-York (1938)
1U75 2003 York-Scarborough (2053)
1U88 2148 Scarborough-York (2238)
1U87 2303 York-Scarborough (2352)

Class 185
1P07 0422 MIA-Scarborough(0732)
1U32 0748 Scarborough -York (0839)
1U31 0905 York-Scarborough(0954)
1U44 1048 Scarborough-York (1138)
1U43 1203 York-Scarborough (1253)
1U56 1348 Scarborough-York (1438)
1U55 1503 York-Scarborough (1553)
1U68 1648 Scarborough-York (1738)
1U67 1803 York-Scarborough (1853)
1U80 1948 Scarborough-York (2038)
1U79 2103 York-Scarborough (2153)
1U98 2245 Scarborough-York (2335)
5U98 0006 York-York Siemens (0035)