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Northerngirl

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At a quick look the prices seem very sensible, a day out to Rhyl will be £8.40 return from basically anywhere, and also almost identical pricing to the busses over shorter distances (3 vs 3.30), I for one will definitely be making good use of it
 

Watershed

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At a quick look the prices seem very sensible, a day out to Rhyl will be £8.40 return from basically anywhere, and also almost identical pricing to the busses over shorter distances (3 vs 3.30), I for one will definitely be making good use of it
This is what I simply don't understand; the price disparity between contactless and regular tickets is now enormous. It's £25 for an Off-Peak Return from Runcorn East to Wrexham for example, vs £6.60 for two PAYG single journeys.

So why don't they cut the cost of regular tickets? It seems rather iniquitous that they are now effectively charging some of the most disadvantaged members of society (who don't have a bank account or card) more.
 

Djgr

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This is what I simply don't understand; the price disparity between contactless and regular tickets is now enormous. It's £25 for an Off-Peak Return from Runcorn East to Wrexham for example, vs £6.60 for two PAYG single journeys.

So why don't they cut the cost of regular tickets? It seems rather iniquitous that they are now effectively charging some of the most disadvantaged members of society (who don't have a bank account or card) more.
Apparently over 97% of UK adults have a bank account.
 

positron

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It is rather silly that to fix what they even accept as broken fare anomalies they just create new types of fare. Surely it would have been possible to change the existing ones.

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Apparently over 97% of UK adults have a bank account.
3% of a big number is still a big number. That's over a million adults without one.
 

Djgr

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It is rather silly that to fix what they even accept as broken fare anomalies they just create new types of fare. Surely it would have been possible to change the existing ones.

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3% of a big number is still a big number. That's over a million adults without one.
I would suggest that the fare structure is partly designed to accelerate the inevitable demise of cash and ticket offices.
 

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And the 2-3% who don't are disadvantaged when buying these fares.
Let alone children. It's readily possible for them to travel on their own, especially commuting to secondary school. Yet parents understandably wouldn't trust a lot of 11 year olds with a debit card - let alone the fact that there are few providers who will issue them in a child's name, and using an adult's card is not permitted by any card scheme's rules as far as I'm aware.
 

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