ThatOneWelsh
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Just wondering how the MK4 services are going today? I have a first class ticket on 1W96 to Holyhead and I'm hoping to have dinner on the way up 
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FrodshamJnct
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As always, subject to change, but should be:Just wondering how the MK4 services are going today? I have a first class ticket on 1W96 to Holyhead and I'm hoping to have dinner on the way up
Monday 18th November
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CF901 - *UNIT* 197110*
1V91 05.30 Holyhead - Cardif 09.59
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67013 Set HD04 (Loco CDF end) *Expected*
1W57 1052 Cardiff - Manchester 14.15
1V46 14.30 Manchester - Cardiff 17.42
1W65 1855 Cardiff - Manchester 22.27
(5K65 ECS 22.30 MAN - CRE CS 23.41)
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CF902 - 67010 Set HD01 (Loco CDF end)
(5V33 ECS 05.13 CRE CS - MAN 06.16)
1V33 06.26 Manchester - Cardiff 09.54
1W19 12.49 Cardiff - Manchester 16.15
1V50 16.30 Manchester - Swansea 20.42
(5F50 ECS 21.28 SWA - CDF CS 22.55)
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CF903 - 67029 Set HD06 (Loco CDF end)
1W11 04.35 Cardiff - Manchester 08.13
1V37 08.30 Manchester - Cardiff 11.53
1W96 17.14 Cardiff - Holyhead 21.43
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CF904 - 67008 Set HD05 (Loco MAN end)
1V31 04.54 Crewe - Cardiff 07.48
1W55 08.49 Cardiff - Manchester 12.15
1V42 12.30 Manchester - Cardiff 15.42
1W23 16.49 Cardiff - Manchester 20.15
(5K23 ECS 20.24 MAN - CRE CS 21.08)
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CF905 - *UNIT* 197122*

(5F13 ECS 04.03 CDF CS - SWA 05.22)
1W13 05.29 Swansea - Manchester 10.15
1V39 10.30 Manchester - Cardiff 13.42
1W61 14.49 Cardiff - Manchester 18.14
1V62 18.30 Manchester - Cardiff 21.55
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ThatOneWelsh
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Thank you very much!
Fingers crossed and positive vibes for HD06 holding out through the day
Jamesrob637
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Not bad today, no chance of the 18:30 from Manchester being booked Mk4 before New Year?
HD05 should now be on 1W96 with HD06 going onto the Manchester for a loco swap tomorrowThank you very much!
Fingers crossed and positive vibes for HD06 holding out through the day
Still planned for December Timetable change as far as I'm aware.
There's also a plan to put first class onto Seatfrog to sell unsold seats at a similar time.
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ThatOneWelsh
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I saw on RTT, hope that now sticks!
Do we know what happened to 67029?
It should as HD05 has some planned maintenance overnight in Holyhead.
Nothing, there's a bit of a swap round to match exam timings etc, 029 going onto HD03 and 015 onto HD06.
67006 is planned to head to Canton early in the morning to act as recovery loco while 67025 undergoes tyre turning. https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/service/gb-nr:28535/2024-11-19/detailed
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No water in kitchen on HD05 so you won't be getting much food.Just wondering how the MK4 services are going today? I have a first class ticket on 1W96 to Holyhead and I'm hoping to have dinner on the way up
ThatOneWelsh
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Aye, just had the bad news, "light bites" on offer! Disappointed, but such as it is!
Steveswan10
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Would there be a case to add a 6th carriage to the sets or will 5 enough for the route? (Obviously if there is enough carriages left to use?
37052 xb mr
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1V91 in trouble, DVT hit some trees !
Between Chester & Wrexham
Terminating at Shrewsbury 3 hours late, then 5V91 ECS to Crewe
Between Chester & Wrexham
Terminating at Shrewsbury 3 hours late, then 5V91 ECS to Crewe
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37052 xb mr
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Think some of the platform lengths would be an issue
Lewisham2221
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There's already a significant amount of SDO working with them anyway.
As a general rule, the current 5 car sets seem to provide adequate capacity.
Welshguy1048
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Afternoon
Can anyone help with what is on 1W96 tonight please?
Thank you
Dave
Can anyone help with what is on 1W96 tonight please?
Thank you
Dave
BillStampy
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Should be 67010 + HD01 on that tonight I'm pretty sure.
Welshguy1048
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Tomorrow HD05 is out of action for underframe checks over a pit following it hitting multiple trees today, HD04 was back up but isn't available until the afternoon so is planned to enter service for the 15:30 Crewe to Manchester with the 06:27 Manchester to Cardiff/12:49 Cardiff to Crewe being units.
Thursday sees 6 sets available for the first time in a long while, and all 6 should see use. HD01+67025 and HD03+67016 are planned to undertake trial runs out of Crewe to Chester/Shrewsbury, they all should be available for a couple of days before HD05 stops for exam over the weekend, once that's complete long missing HD02 is planned to head over from Crewe ETD to Crewe ATC early next week for a heavy exam, whilst it's been at the ETD it's had some bogie/wheelset work carried out.
Royal 67006 has taken over as the Canton rescue loco.
Thursday sees 6 sets available for the first time in a long while, and all 6 should see use. HD01+67025 and HD03+67016 are planned to undertake trial runs out of Crewe to Chester/Shrewsbury, they all should be available for a couple of days before HD05 stops for exam over the weekend, once that's complete long missing HD02 is planned to head over from Crewe ETD to Crewe ATC early next week for a heavy exam, whilst it's been at the ETD it's had some bogie/wheelset work carried out.
Royal 67006 has taken over as the Canton rescue loco.
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Bigger issue is the PRM access on longer trains with the short platforms. 5 car rakes guarantee every platform has at least 1 accessible wheelchair ramp, 6 car would lose that so is a non-starter.
37052 xb mr
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1V91, 67010 Set 1 cancelled at Holyhead, door fault, starting at Chester with a unit
37052 xb mr
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67016 -0Z67 Crewe - Stafford - Crewe
Steveswan10
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Thanks for the replys, it just shows that there is more to stuff then meets the eye for the public who wouldnt know stuff like that and say "why cant they just add extra carriages"
Topological
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How does this work? Is the problem first class?
IF the front and rear carriages are accessible then you would have an accessible carriage on all platforms?
The only issue I can see is first class, because you would need an accessible first-class carriage to be platformed at all platforms. There is an answer to that one too.
IF the Mk4 only operated services that stopped at Newport, Hereford and Shrewsbury between Cardiff and Crewe then the platforms would be long enough in any case.
IF we ever reached a point where more capacity was needed then an additional 197 could run ahead of/behind the Mk4 to serve the stations missed by the Mk4 with the necessary connections. I can see why TfW would be reluctant to see stations like Cwmbran and Abergavenny given a worse service because of skip stopping. The Liverpool trains (if added) would also provide for the stops the expresses missed.
It is all speculative and that is not the aim of a trip report thread. However, it does seem that longer Mk4 sets could run if the stars aligned.
The only section that the Mk4 set seems to struggle on is Manchester to Crewe, but that could be provided by a different operator as it is electrified and ripe for EMUs.
37052 xb mr
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Not sure what you mean by they
Struggle between Manchester & Crewe
The delays are normal on the marches
Which results in the services been terminated short at Crewe or Wilmslow
To put the return service back on time
Struggle between Manchester & Crewe
The delays are normal on the marches
Which results in the services been terminated short at Crewe or Wilmslow
To put the return service back on time
Topological
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For capacity, though I have not been on one into or out of Cardiff at peak times. The Manchester to Crewe section is one of the few where the Mk4 sets actually get to flex their muscles.
Since the discussion was about extra carriages in the set.
Turning at Wilmslow makes sense from the TfW operation perspective, but is very frustrating when Avanti have also cancelled their train and there is a long wait for a Northern stopper. Even worse coming the other way when the only option is a Northern stopper 24 minutes before the TfW departure. The Wilmslow turnaround is not unique to the Mk4 though. Even with their shorter dwells and ability to catch up time, the 197s end up turning early a lot too.
37052 xb mr
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Yes both the 67 & set on 1W11
& the 197 on 1W13 both turned at Wilmslow yesterday,
I am amazed some times at Manchester how many people join the 1st couple of carriages & stand
Obviously not realising how long the train is.
& the 197 on 1W13 both turned at Wilmslow yesterday,
I am amazed some times at Manchester how many people join the 1st couple of carriages & stand
Obviously not realising how long the train is.
I’ve taken this pretty much monthly since July 23, never not had a chef onboard.
I caught the 1718 to Holyhead a few weeks ago on a Wednesday and it was full and standing in all four standard coaches, plus the first class vestibules.
D6130
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....but usually only as far as Cwmbran in my experience - or maybe Abergavenny on a Friday.
Topological
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Thanks both, so another case where the Cardiff commuter flow can be served by a local train. There should be more local trains to Abergavenny, but that is very much another thread.
Agree about people not walking up the platform at Manchester Piccadilly. There was far less walking required when the service was run with 150s. The 5-car Mk4 almost reaches to the country end of Platform 10 now.
Agree about people not walking up the platform at Manchester Piccadilly. There was far less walking required when the service was run with 150s. The 5-car Mk4 almost reaches to the country end of Platform 10 now.
First class doesn't really come into it, there's many stations now where first class isn't platformed. The issue is that the front standard coach can't be the one that's accessible as none of the TOE vehicles are and that's the only one that can couple to the loco. That's why the workaround of 1st being where it is was put in so wheelchair spaces are always in coaches 2 and 4 so guarantees one or the other is in every platform.
Obviously limited stop also solves that problem!