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TfGM Bee Network - fleet discussion

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Just seen a newish bus on the 23 (11896/YX74 OLV). Have Stagecoach Stockport taken delivery of some new buses during the past week? I have not seen such a new bus on the 23 for a long time, as they usually seem to use older vehicles on that route, despite being one of longest distance routes that run from the Stockport depot.
 
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Just seen a newish bus on the 23 (11896/YX74 OLV). Have Stagecoach Stockport taken delivery of some new buses during the past week? I have not seen such a new bus on the 23 for a long time, as they usually seem to use older vehicles on that route, despite being one of longest distance routes that run from the Stockport depot.

That batch (11881-11930) entered service at Stockport from the first day of tranche 3 of Bee Network (although many of 11881 to about 11900 did see brief service from Oldham/Middleton for a couple of weeks before).

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I’m guessing TfGM see Hybrids as a good thing, as to the layperson reading a press release in the Manchester Evening News they sound better than a dirty old diesel

Whereas those in the industry know that those early hybrids are now reaching the stage where they are becoming troublesome, so Stagecoach were happy to get rid

I’m surprised the hybrids that First West Yorks have just got rid of (ironically replaced by 58 plate ex First Manchester Geminis same batch as the infamous ex-GNW ones that are gradually touring round Manchester) didn’t also turn up here
I think TFGM see any bus as suitable regardless of age as long as it’s Euro 6 compliant - just look at the state of the Scania’s and B9’s - although they are getting their monies worth out of some of the B9’s!

First didn’t do to badly out of it. Their E300’s they sold on are hardly amazing - some have required completely new gear boxes!

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33849 (SN14TTY) + First Drivers are out on there at the moment covering for a driver shortage at Ashton - more may come on later
Think there’s been several of Firsts E400’s out on Ashton services this afternoon.
Stagecoach provided a number of drivers last weekend, although they drove Metroline vehicles, what’s interesting this week is that the loanee drivers from First used their own buses.
Assuming also ‘on hire’ notices were present on the vehicles as First are not registered to run Ashton services??
 
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While Ashton Depot are short of drivers Stagecoach at Oldham are short of fleet cars at the moment with a couple off the road leading to the usage of buses as driver taxis, a couple of E300s and at least one B5 Gemini were in use on staff taxis from Oldham Depot to Middleton yesterday morning.
 

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33849 (SN14TTY) + First Drivers are out on there at the moment covering for a driver shortage at Ashton - more may come on later
I saw a First E400 on route 216 in Manchester yesterday, probably this one.

2 of the 3 buses I saw on Diamond route 87 were blue Solos. The other was a yellow mini E200MMC. Appallingly, it had a white sticker with the number 87 but Sorry not in service in the blind display! Even if they really do not have route 87 details programmed in, already in itself a poor show, they should have kept the false display switched off.

I rode my first ever E400EV and Volvo BZL double-deck buses. It seemed rare for a new double-deck to have 2 pairs of seats upstairs on the right in front of the staircase. However, the ride did not feel as typical for a new bus as the BZL.
 

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I saw a First E400 on route 216 in Manchester yesterday, probably this one.

2 of the 3 buses I saw on Diamond route 87 were blue Solos. The other was a yellow mini E200MMC. Appallingly, it had a white sticker with the number 87 but Sorry not in service in the blind display! Even if they really do not have route 87 details programmed in, already in itself a poor show, they should have kept the false display switched off.

I rode my first ever E400EV and Volvo BZL double-deck buses. It seemed rare for a new double-deck to have 2 pairs of seats upstairs on the right in front of the staircase. However, the ride did not feel as typical for a new bus as the BZL.
Regarding the destination blind, there is multiple reasons why that might of happened one being the reason you stated but sometimes the destinations will say they have changed on the changer but not on the blinds so they freeze
 

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Assuming also ‘on hire’ notices were present on the vehicles as First are not registered to run Ashton services??

And why would they need to do that? No services that operate entirely within GM on behalf of TfGM are registered.

I saw a First E400 on route 216 in Manchester yesterday, probably this one.
Depends on the time. There were 4 of them.
2 of the 3 buses I saw on Diamond route 87 were blue Solos. The other was a yellow mini E200MMC. Appallingly, it had a white sticker with the number 87 but Sorry not in service in the blind display! Even if they really do not have route 87 details programmed in, already in itself a poor show, they should have kept the false display switched off.
I saw similar a couple of weeks ago.
 

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I have seen some of the those awful Solos on the 87, one of them didn't have any Bee Network stickers on. I do think TFGM need to start getting buses companies to improve the appearance of some of the buses as it seems the bus companies can get away with running anything without any proper enforcement from TFGM. I suppose they need to wait for things to settle down a bit.
 

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I have seen some of the those awful Solos on the 87, one of them didn't have any Bee Network stickers on. I do think TFGM need to start getting buses companies to improve the appearance of some of the buses as it seems the bus companies can get away with running anything without any proper enforcement from TFGM. I suppose they need to wait for things to settle down a bit.
Diamond are waiting for Stagecoach to give their stratas to replace solos/solo srs, which means waiting for e100evs to arrive
 

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2 of the 3 buses I saw on Diamond route 87 were blue Solos. The other was a yellow mini E200MMC. Appallingly, it had a white sticker with the number 87 but Sorry not in service in the blind display! Even if they really do not have route 87 details programmed in, already in itself a poor show, they should have kept the false display switched off.
There was an issue recently where one of TFGM’s contractors was splicing into the destination display wiring to fit radios and it made the destination equipment completely freeze.
 

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Out of curiosity, when the new deckers arrive will 263 finally become double decker?
Doubt any deckers are heading for Wythenshawe immediately, there's enough in horrid condition at Sharston and Hyde Road that need replacing! Would be nice though - they'd be welcome on the 313 as well I think.

Talking of deckers at Sharston and Hyde Road, presumably the slightly newer of the ex-Stagecoach ones that are staying longer term will need to be painted yellow and modified internally to TfGM spec - does anyone know when this is likely to happen?
 

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Out of curiosity, when the new deckers arrive will 263 finally become double decker?
I wouldn’t have thought so as the whole fleet at Wythenshawe is brand new single decks. There are mo placeholder ex-Stagecoach buses in the allocation

Where are the Enviro 100 EVs that were mentioned above supposed to be heading?
 

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Thought they were going to Queens Road for the free city centre circulars?
They were! Then were supposedly going to Middleton but potentially end up anywhere that’s got the powers to charge them 8-)

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Diamond are waiting for Stagecoach to give their stratas to replace solos/solo srs, which means waiting for e100evs to arrive
Stagecoach are keeping the Strata’s, not sure where the rumour has come from they are going.
 

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Not to sure which one it was but I noticed on Saturday Diamond were using a plain white MMC200 on 151, bus was tracking as a double decker Ultraliner, not to sure if MMC200 had Bee Network stickers on it as I was on 396 at the time.
 

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Not to sure which one it was but I noticed on Saturday Diamond were using a plain white MMC200 on 151, bus was tracking as a double decker Ultraliner, not to sure if MMC200 had Bee Network stickers on it as I was on 396 at the time.
Diamond definitely have two white single deckers, and at least one of them is stickered up.
 

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The four at Queens Road appeared on Diamonds Fleet allocation files in December with new Fleet Numbers.
Not sure why. There is literally nothing small enough to replace them other than Optare solos that TFGM didn’t want to pay for - hence why they were sent to south wales.

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I didn’t think Queen’s Road was being electrified any time soon, hence why they’ve now got most of the newest diesel MMCs
It’s on the cards but no time soon as the roof needs replacing first.
There was talk of the E100’s going to Middleton instead with the freebus moving there but again that’s not happening.
I suspect the E100’s will end up going elsewhere in Manchester.
 

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Sunday sees the reliability revisions on a number of routes in Tranche 2 - 135 gains 7 minutes in each direction for example. I believe the overall PVR at Queens Road increases by 6 Vehicles - one assumes this’ll be 10423/4/9 & 10599/603/616 entering the main fleet from “Reserve” (yes they’ve been out most days since 5 Jan but were officially reserve).
 

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Sunday sees the reliability revisions on a number of routes in Tranche 2 - 135 gains 7 minutes in each direction for example. I believe the overall PVR at Queens Road increases by 6 Vehicles - one assumes this’ll be 10423/4/9 & 10599/603/616 entering the main fleet from “Reserve” (yes they’ve been out most days since 5 Jan but were officially reserve).
They are being used from the reserve fleet because the large number of MOT’s at Queens in the first quarter of the year. I don’t think they are permanent Queens fleet and should move on once the MOT’s have all been done.

In other news E200 36780 is the first of the batch to be prepped for repaint into yellow.
11842 and 11512 have returned from Birkenhead following RTC damage.
 

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Just seen a very unusual working. A double decker (3114) on the 630 near Ince Station. Normally a solo or short single decker at best on this route.
 

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