SWR Repaints and Refurbishments

[SevenEightNine]

450555 and 450121 now have SWR stickers.

They're coming thick & fast now.
Spotted four more today:
450 008
450 028
450 072
450 125

It will probably be difficult to keep up from now on.

 

[TEW]

450111 in new livery working;
2L53 1711 Waterloo-Basingstoke
2L64 1824 Basingstoke-Waterloo

 

[Domh245]

450111 in new livery working;
2L53 1711 Waterloo-Basingstoke
2L64 1824 Basingstoke-Waterloo

Presumably it's still in it's half finished state (orange grab handles, first left in it's old location, etc) from when it debuted on TV?

 

[TEW]

Presumably it's still in it's half finished state (orange grab handles, first left in it's old location, etc) from when it debuted on TV?

No idea. Was going past me a bit too fast to see! I expect so.

 

[cj_1985]

450111 in new livery working;
2L53 1711 Waterloo-Basingstoke
2L64 1824 Basingstoke-Waterloo

Has it been painted or Vinyled, anyone know?

 

[Domh245]

No idea. Was going past me a bit too fast to see! I expect so.

A bit of twitter searching shows some orange handles, so yes, looks like it's been pressed into service as is again

Has it been painted or Vinyled, anyone know?

As I understand it, they have a grey base coat, and then vinyls over the top to achieve the stripey effect, as well as the dark blue patches

 

[fairysdad]

Hmm... just as Virgin get rid of that horrible striping on the doors, it comes up again down here... The two-tone grey isn't too bad, but the blues...

 

[andyc20050]

444013 & 444019 also now have SWR logos.

 

[traji00]

Presumably it's still in it's half finished state (orange grab handles, first left in it's old location, etc) from when it debuted on TV?

For now, Yes.

 

[TEW]

450111 today for anyone who wants to see/catch it:
5F11 0552 Clapham Yard-Woking
2F12 0702 Woking-London Waterloo
5B17 0758 London Waterloo-Basingstoke
2L26 0854 Basingstoke-London Waterloo
1A25 1023 London Waterloo-Farnham
5A25 1128 Farnham-Farnham CSD
5A38 1218 Farnham CSD-Farnham
1A38 1228 Farnham-London Waterloo
2L39 1342 London Waterloo-Basingstoke
5L39 1500 Basingstoke-Basingstoke Down Yard
5L52 1520 Basingstoke Down Yard-Basingstoke
2L52 1524 Basingstoke-London Waterloo
1A51 1655 London Waterloo-Alton
1A64 1835 Alton-London Waterloo
2L65 2012 London Waterloo-Basingstoke
5L65 2140 Basingstoke-Basingstoke Barton Mill Carriage Sidings
5L76 2339 Basingstoke Barton Mill Carriage Sidings-Basingstoke Down Yard

 

[nlogax]

Was on 450111 this morning. It feels a bit of a hybrid for sure. Orange grab handles, new seat covers (was that blue 'pleather' I detected in Standard? Hard to say as I was stood all the way). Mixture of old SWT and new SWR stickers inside. Didn't feel much different, just a little more drab and it was too busy to really tell if there was any sort of deep clean involved.

 

[BestWestern]

As I understand it, they have a grey base coat, and then vinyls over the top to achieve the stripey effect, as well as the dark blue patches

It's all vinyl, surely? The 158/159s certainly are anyway. There may be an undercoat, but I don't see what purpose it would serve?

 

[59CosG95]

It's all vinyl, surely? The 158/159s certainly are anyway. There may be an undercoat, but I don't see what purpose it would serve?

Better protection against the elements and minimisation of "bubbles". When FGW started to refurbish the 150s and 166s, they preferred to paint them in plain FirstGroup blue rather than vinyl them wholesale, as moisture could get trapped in air bubbles beneath the vinyl and accelerate the corrosion.

 

[Domh245]

Better protection against the elements and minimisation of "bubbles". When FGW started to refurbish the 150s and 166s, they preferred to paint them in plain FirstGroup blue rather than vinyl them wholesale, as moisture could get trapped in air bubbles beneath the vinyl and accelerate the corrosion.

Granted, but I don't think there is a single part of the SWR livery that isn't vinyled, perhaps other than the vehicle ends, but in the context of 450111, I expect that it'd have been painted into grey undercoat first and then had vinyls over the top.

 

[59CosG95]

Granted, but I don't think there is a single part of the SWR livery that isn't vinyled, perhaps other than the vehicle ends, but in the context of 450111, I expect that it'd have been painted into grey undercoat first and then had vinyls over the top.

AIUI, that seems to be the case. Pics I've seen circulated (but kept private) have confirmed that the 442s are having it done in a similar fashion; undercoat first, then vinyls over the top.

 

[fgwrich]

Here is the current set up on the 444s. You’d have thought they could have cleaned the rest of the sides up first though.

 

[dorsetdesiro]

That seems terrible, worse than on the blue & red fleets. Obviously a rushed job which you can see the vinyl badly trimmed on the bottom left.

This shouldn't matter so much as many 444s would very soon get refurbished in the new SWR livery to concide with the new December timetable, the 442s' return and 701s' debut. They may as well leave the SOUTH WEST TRAINS logo as it is until the refurbishment.

The mock-up I've made here where I would have had the SWR logo all in the SWT royal blue, this blending in nicely rather than the black SWR lettering crudely at odds against the SWT swooshes.

 

[K.o.R]

In principle I think the way they've done the "quick" logos for the 444s look very nice; indeed on ones where they bothered to clean it up first, it does look good. At least it's the right colour, not like the 450s.

 

[GodAtum]

Was on 450111 this morning. It feels a bit of a hybrid for sure. Orange grab handles, new seat covers (was that blue 'pleather' I detected in Standard? Hard to say as I was stood all the way). Mixture of old SWT and new SWR stickers inside. Didn't feel much different, just a little more drab and it was too busy to really tell if there was any sort of deep clean involved.

Looking on Twitter, 1st class is not easily identifiable as they have got rid of the antimacassars and window labels?

 

[387star]

How on earth will the whole desiro fleet be refurbished by the year end

 

[Goldfish62]

The fr

How on earth will the whole desiro fleet be refurbished by the year end

The franchise commitment is by the end of March next year, but I would think even that is tight.

 

[superalbs]

The fr

The franchise commitment is by the end of March next year, but I would think even that is tight.

Welp, 172 units refurbished over 365 days turns out to be a unit about every two days. So that'll be interesting.

 

[Malcolmffc]

It does seem astonishing that over 6 Months into the franchise there are still plenty of trains still showing the SWT logo. Surely SWR realised they would need some vinyls?

 

[Goldfish62]

Welp, 172 units refurbished over 365 days turns out to be a unit about every two days. So that'll be interesting.

Depends on how many can be worked on at once and how long each one takes. If they can do 4-5 at once and each takes two weeks it could work, but that's probably not realistic.

 

[lewisf]

It does seem astonishing that over 6 Months into the franchise there are still plenty of trains still showing the SWT logo. Surely SWR realised they would need some vinyls?

The progress does seem to have picked up over the past week or so. Probably be all done by the end of April if the current pace continues

 

[387star]

The progress does seem to have picked up over the past week or so. Probably be all done by the end of April if the current pace continues

Any 158 or 159s with new logos yet?

Fratton Depot still reads 'Stagecoach SWT' unless that's recently been changed

Has 450111 gone back to the works ? The first 444 must be near completion? I'd expect a publicity stunt when that one is released with the plush leather seating

 

[SevenEightNine]

Has 450111 gone back to the works ?

I saw it yesterday sandwiched between two other 450 units in Clapham sidings.
Doesn't look like they're in much hurry to get it back there.

 

[TT-ONR-NRN]

As said on PM,

455902
456011
455728
455737
455719
455708
455723
456002
455911
456001
455722
455731
455859
455701
458536
455907
455726
455913
455716
455711
450112
455901
456010
455906

All have SWR logos now

 

[xc170]

Any news on the refurb 444?

 

[K.o.R]

I got a closer look at the 444 placeholder vinyl on whichever unit is named "The Fab 444" this morning. This unit is pretty clean, but a noticeable difference between the white on the vinyl and the body is the vinyl is warm white (has a definite yellow tinge to it) and the body is cold white (has a definite blue tinge to it).