SWR outgoing Metro fleet withdrawals (complete)

[swr444]

Did a Dorking and Hampton Court on a 458 ten car, and it was good.My debut with 458's on both routes.
458502 and 458520.I remember because the wrong number was written on the sheet, so I had to inform the relevant parties…As it goes it was just a typo.

I’ve done a Guildford via epsom with them twice now. Not done a 10 car down that way since route learning in 2021

 

[TT-ONR-NRN]

Could I ask what the craic is with 458522 please?

Awaiting a motor wheel set change. There is a phonic wheel which is part of the motor wheel set that is damaged that affects the speed sensor and generating traction faults. A previous overhauler just used to chuck them around not knowing the significance of it. Anyway the unit hobbled on MO until replacement axles could arrive. It may seem simple to the outsiders but so much of the float and supply is now set round regearing the motor wheels to 100mph rather than the 75mph configuration. We have axles but a few units vying for them.

There is a separate thread for ongoing maintenance

 

[Juniper Driver]

I’ve done a Guildford via epsom with them twice now. Not done a 10 car down that way since route learning in 2021

It was better than I thought and made a change from 455s.

458 question…the Data Recorder Healthy light in one cab wasn't lit when I got to Reading…Why is this?
OK in the other three cabs.Reported it.
I've got full 458 manual acquired recently.I only did the conversion course as I learned the 458/0s beforehand (2007), so I didn't get the 458/5 bible originally, so I'm going to skim through it and see if I can find the answer.

 

[Siemens Staines]

Are 707018 + 707019 the next pair to leave SWR for SouthEastern? 5Z19 & 5Z20 are the usual reporting codes for these transfers although 5Z20 does not currently show on RTT so I could be wrong.

Realtime Trains | 5Z19 2314 Clapham Yard Sidings to London Waterloo | 31/08/2023

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5Z20 now shown to run this evening (02/09) from Waterloo to Gillingham with 707018 + 707019 that have been stabled in Waterloo P20 since Thursday night

Realtime Trains | 5Z20 1759 London Waterloo to Gillingham E.M.U.D. | 02/09/2023

Real-time train running information for 5Z20 1759 departure from London Waterloo to Gillingham E.M.U.D. on 02/09/2023. From Realtime Trains, an independent source of train running info for Great Britain.

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[03_179]

Afternoon all,
Please can someone let me know what the status of these units are:
In service, stored or withdrawn?

455722
455742
455750
455852
455860


Many thanks in advance,

 

[PGAT]

Not sure about 455722 but the others are still in service

 

[WarrenTManager]

I would suspect you are more likely to win the lottery than get 5722 red penned for haulage.

 

[03_179]

Not sure about 455722 but the others are still in service

Thanks.

I would suspect you are more likely to win the lottery than get 5722 red penned for haulage.

Why?

 

[WarrenTManager]

Thanks.

Why?

It's helped get about 6 long term stoppers off the depot. The list of parts to replace on it is massive.

 

[03_179]

It's helped get about 6 long term stoppers off the depot. The list of parts to replace on it is massive.

Thanks.

 

[Robert Carroll]

The two morning peak workings on the Epsom line that had been 2x707 then 2x458 then back to 2x707 seem to have reverted to 2x455 today. Not a problem with one of them but the 0701 from Dorking was rammed when it was 8-car previously. I suspect this is connected with the impending disappearance of the remaining 707s from SWR.

 

[bb21]

Are 707018 + 707019 the next pair to leave SWR for SouthEastern? 5Z19 & 5Z20 are the usual reporting codes for these transfers although 5Z20 does not currently show on RTT so I could be wrong.

Realtime Trains | 5Z19 2314 Clapham Yard Sidings to London Waterloo | 31/08/2023

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5Z20 now shown to run this evening (02/09) from Waterloo to Gillingham with 707018 + 707019 that have been stabled in Waterloo P20 since Thursday night

Realtime Trains | 5Z20 1759 London Waterloo to Gillingham E.M.U.D. | 02/09/2023

Real-time train running information for 5Z20 1759 departure from London Waterloo to Gillingham E.M.U.D. on 02/09/2023. From Realtime Trains, an independent source of train running info for Great Britain.

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18+19 followed next by 20+21 then 15+16 as currently planned.

 

[swr444]

The two morning peak workings on the Epsom line that had been 2x707 then 2x458 then back to 2x707 seem to have reverted to 2x455 today. Not a problem with one of them but the 0701 from Dorking was rammed when it was 8-car previously. I suspect this is connected with the impending disappearance of the remaining 707s from SWR.

as far as i'm aware these are booked as 2x458 in the 11th sept LTPs

 

[TEW]

as far as i'm aware these are booked as 2x458 in the 11th sept LTPs

They are both booked 10-458 in the LTP from next week. 1D12, 0701 Dorking to Waterloo is booked 8-455 this week though. 2D90, 0618 Epsom to Waterloo is booked 10-458 but has been 8-455 yesterday and today.

 

[Siemens Staines]

18+19 followed next by 20+21 then 15+16 as currently planned.

Thank you for the update. I had noticed that 707020 has not been out for the past two weeks, so I wondered if it was one of those next to leave SWR. But 707021 is still out this morning on one of their two remaining diagrams, although it does visit Wimbledon Park today, so perhaps that will be its finale?

The 458/5 fleet must be getting pretty stretched now with only 31 of them remaining with SWR. Two of which are long term stopped (458522 & 458533), plus another three (458501, 458532 & 458535) that have been out of passenger use for over a month, so perhaps it is not too surprising that 2D90 is 8-455 vice 10-458?

 

[Robert Carroll]

as far as i'm aware these are booked as 2x458 in the 11th sept LTPs

Thanks, that would be good if it happens. They were briefly 2x458 last month. They were both 2x455 yesterday and today, but I was working at home. Wednesday and Thursday I shall be in the office and I'm planning to avoid the 07:28 as I expect it to be too crowded for me if it's 8x455.

 

[swr444]

The 458/5 fleet must be getting pretty stretched now with only 31 of them remaining with SWR. Two of which are long term stopped (458522 & 458533), plus another three (458501, 458532 & 458535) that have been out of passenger use for over a month, so perhaps it is not too surprising that 2D90 is 8-455 vice 10-458?

do we have any updates on the status of 8522, 8533 and the other 3 mentioned?

 

[TT-ONR-NRN]

do we have any updates on the status of 8522, 8533 and the other 3 mentioned?

There is a separate thread for ongoing maintenance which I’ll link for you, as I made this one specifically to track withdrawals (and made the other one so I didn’t have to look at maintenance info )

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Class 455 and 458 ongoing maintenance updates

I created SWR Metro Fleet Withdrawals to monitor the withdrawal process (obviously I had expected 701s to be imminent at the time, so it didn’t seem premature back then) and permanent standing down/handing back of 455/456/458/707 by SWR. Naturally we’ve discussed the withdrawal of 456 and some...

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18+19 followed next by 20+21 then 15+16 as currently planned.

Did 18+19 move as planned?

 

[WarrenTManager]

Did 18+19 move as planned?

18 and 19 have gone. 20 and 21 are now stood down for handover work.

 

[TT-ONR-NRN]

18 and 19 have gone. 20 and 21 are now stood down for handover work.

Thank you for the update, most helpful

 

[GEC465]

So guessing 2 remain then?

18 and 19 have gone. 20 and 21 are now stood down for handover work.

 

[WarrenTManager]

15/16/17/22/24/30. Not sure if the daily diagrams drop from 4 to 2 tomorrow or next Monday.

 

[swr444]

15/16/17/22/24/30. Not sure if the daily diagrams drop from 4 to 2 tomorrow or next Monday.

They’re only on the STPs from tomorrow

 

[jwhite9185]

Not seen any 455's in Woking all weekend. First time since I've lived next to the railway line that has happened.

The Waterloo - Woking stopper was operated by a mix of 450's and 458's yesterday.

(might not be news to some, just posting what I've seen out the window)

 

[7031]

Not seen any 455's in Woking all weekend. First time since I've lived next to the railway line that has happened.

The Waterloo - Woking stopper was operated by a mix of 450's and 458's yesterday.

(might not be news to some, just posting what I've seen out the window)

This is likely due to the engineering work - the stoppers are being re-routed via the Byfleet Curve and then Richmond through to Waterloo.

 

[TEW]

This is likely due to the engineering work - the stoppers are being re-routed via the Byfleet Curve and then Richmond through to Waterloo.

Yes. If 455s were used they would be limited to 4-cars due to the short platform in the up direction at Virginia Water which would provide insufficient capacity. There were some 455s at Woking, just stabled in the Up Carriage Sidings.

 

[jwhite9185]

Yes. If 455s were used they would be limited to 4-cars due to the short platform in the up direction at Virginia Water which would provide insufficient capacity. There were some 455s at Woking, just stabled in the Up Carriage Sidings.

Interesting stuff.

Must confess, I don't know an awful lot about trains or their ops - I moved next to the tracks around 18 months ago and I'm somewhat self taught from what I've seen out of the window!

 

[tick]

Interesting stuff.

Must confess, I don't know an awful lot about trains or their ops - I moved next to the tracks around 18 months ago and I'm somewhat self taught from what I've seen out of the window!

You'll soon learn from RF!

 

[Goldfish62]

15/16/17/22/24/30. Not sure if the daily diagrams drop from 4 to 2 tomorrow or next Monday.

There are certainly some diagram changes on the Reading line from today (2 x 455 out all day for example). I expect the 1750 Waterloo to Reading and return is no longer 2 x 707.

 

[43096]

There are certainly some diagram changes on the Reading line from today (2 x 455 out all day for example).

Is that a diagram change or an 8 vice 10 “ersatzzug”?