SWR Class 458 to be retained

[pompeyfan]

Using the 458/4s to reinstate the second Pompey semifast each hour would be my preferred solution! But we seem to be stuck with a chicken and egg situation of poor timetable and reduced revenue reinforcing each other to cause an apparently permanent deterioration of the service.

Personally (with no insider information) I think once the majority of the 701s are in service, the 15 minute frequency will be reinstated with the majority of services running as 10.444 and 12.450. Give it 18 months or so (summer 2026?). Hopefully reliability will also see an improvement with the Desiro fleet not seeing as intense utilisation and more time on depot. We shall see. I definitely can’t see 458s regularly going down to Portsmouth though.

 

[Invincible]

2R90 ran this morning - 421 and 422 out again.

Saw it running today.
Hope the 3 recent problems are sorted soon and there are no further "teething" problems with the refurbishments.

 

[WarrenTManager]

8511 should be the next to Widnes via BM.

 

[Andy1673]

Looks like another pair of 458/5 diagram will be served by the 455s form next Tuesday

Strawberry Hill CSD 5H05-2H05-2H14-2H13-2H22-2H21-2H30-2H29-2H38-2H37-2H46-2H45-2H54-2H53-2H62-2H61-2H70-2H69-2H78-5Y42 Clapham Yard

 

[mansonlo49]

hello does anybody know that is it there's a 458 moved to Bournemouth today from Wimbledon? Thx

 

[WarrenTManager]

hello does anybody know that is it there's a 458 moved to Bournemouth today from Wimbledon? Thx

See post 3393

 

[mansonlo49]

See post 3393

ok seen just now thank you

 

[jwhite9185]

Just seen a blue one pull into Woking on the Waterloo stopper. Not seen one of those in operation down here fir a long time.

Realtime Trains | 2F49 1720 London Waterloo to Woking | 24/08/2024

Real-time train running information for 2F49 1720 departure from London Waterloo to Woking on 24/08/2024. From Realtime Trains, an independent source of train running info for Great Britain.

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[swr444]

Just seen a blue one pull into Woking on the Waterloo stopper. Not seen one of those in operation down here fir a long time.

Realtime Trains | 2F49 1720 London Waterloo to Woking | 24/08/2024

Real-time train running information for 2F49 1720 departure from London Waterloo to Woking on 24/08/2024. From Realtime Trains, an independent source of train running info for Great Britain.

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They were on the Sunday 2F to Guildford via Woking a few Sundays ago

 

[mansonlo49]

Just seen a blue one pull into Woking on the Waterloo stopper. Not seen one of those in operation down here fir a long time.

Realtime Trains | 2F49 1720 London Waterloo to Woking | 24/08/2024

Real-time train running information for 2F49 1720 departure from London Waterloo to Woking on 24/08/2024. From Realtime Trains, an independent source of train running info for Great Britain.

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This is a bit special that is a single unit 458 but normally is made up of two together

 

[lxfe_mxtterz]

This is a bit special that is a single unit 458 but normally is made up of two together

There was another single 458 out on Reading services today. Seems to be becoming quite common as more 458s head off for refurbishment.

 

[davews]

There was another single 458 out on Reading services today. Seems to be becoming quite common as more 458s head off for refurbishment.

I think that one was because there was an issue with the other half. I saw an item on journey planner earlier that one of the services was 5 coaches rather than 10 due to an issue at the depot.

 

[Siemens Staines]

Yesterday journeycheck advised of two 5v10 diagrams

07:39 Reading to London Waterloo due 09:04
09:20 London Waterloo to Reading due 10:43
11:09 Reading to London Waterloo due 12:37
12:50 London Waterloo to Reading due 14:13
14:39 Reading to London Waterloo due 16:03
16:20 London Waterloo to Reading due 17:43
18:09 Reading to London Waterloo due 19:34
19:50 London Waterloo to Reading due 21:13
21:39 Reading to London Waterloo due 23:04
23:20 London Waterloo to Reading due 00:41
Will be formed of 5 coaches instead of 10.

07:33 Woking to London Waterloo due 08:22
08:33 London Waterloo to Hampton Court due 09:08
09:35 Hampton Court to London Waterloo due 10:07
10:17 London Waterloo to Chessington South due 10:51
11:04 Chessington South to London Waterloo due 11:40
11:50 London Waterloo to Woking due 12:38
13:03 Woking to London Waterloo due 13:52
14:03 London Waterloo to Hampton Court due 14:38
15:05 Hampton Court to London Waterloo due 15:37
15:47 London Waterloo to Chessington South due 16:21
16:34 Chessington South to London Waterloo due 17:10
17:20 London Waterloo to Woking due 18:08
18:33 Woking to London Waterloo due 19:22
19:33 London Waterloo to Hampton Court due 20:08
20:35 Hampton Court to London Waterloo due 21:07
21:17 London Waterloo to Chessington South due 21:51
22:04 Chessington South to London Waterloo due 22:41
22:50 London Waterloo to Woking due 23:38
Will be formed of 5 coaches instead of 10.

It looks like these two 5-cars started off as a pair on 2O01 and then split to form 2C07 & 2F05

Realtime Trains | 2O01 0452 Twickenham to London Waterloo | 24/08/2024

Real-time train running information for 2O01 0452 departure from Twickenham to London Waterloo on 24/08/2024. From Realtime Trains, an independent source of train running info for Great Britain.

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Some of the paths for next weeks transfer from/to Widnes are now on RTT. As is normal at this stage, the onward path from Eastleigh to Widnes is yet to be uploaded. This should be 458418 from Widnes and 458511 to Widnes.

Tuesday 27th August 2024
5Z53 0733 Leicester L.I.P. to Widnes Transport Tech

Realtime Trains | 5Z53 0733 Leicester L.I.P. to Widnes Transport Tech | 27/08/2024

Real-time train running information for 5Z53 0733 departure from Leicester L.I.P. to Widnes Transport Tech on 27/08/2024. From Realtime Trains, an independent source of train running info for Great Britain.

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5Q62 1311 Widnes Transport Tech to Wembley Receptions 1-7

Realtime Trains | 5Q62 1311 Widnes Transport Tech to Wembley Receptions 1-7 | 27/08/2024

Real-time train running information for 5Q62 1311 departure from Widnes Transport Tech to Wembley Receptions 1-7 on 27/08/2024. From Realtime Trains, an independent source of train running info for Great Britain.

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Wednesday 28th August 2024
5X64 1136 Wembley Receptions 1-7 to Southampton Central

Realtime Trains | 5X64 1136 Wembley Receptions 1-7 to Southampton Central | 28/08/2024

Real-time train running information for 5X64 1136 departure from Wembley Receptions 1-7 to Southampton Central on 28/08/2024. From Realtime Trains, an independent source of train running info for Great Britain.

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5Q64 1531 Southampton Central to Bournemouth T&R.S.M.D

Realtime Trains | 5Q64 1531 Southampton Central to Bournemouth T&R.S.M.D | 28/08/2024

Real-time train running information for 5Q64 1531 departure from Southampton Central to Bournemouth T&R.S.M.D on 28/08/2024. From Realtime Trains, an independent source of train running info for Great Britain.

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5Z66 2018 Bournemouth T&R.S.M.D to Eastleigh East Yard

Realtime Trains | 5Z66 2018 Bournemouth T&R.S.M.D to Eastleigh East Yard | 28/08/2024

Real-time train running information for 5Z66 2018 departure from Bournemouth T&R.S.M.D to Eastleigh East Yard on 28/08/2024. From Realtime Trains, an independent source of train running info for Great Britain.

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[jwhite9185]

This is a bit special that is a single unit 458 but normally is made up of two together

Seemed to be an issue with it as it ended up departing 20 minutes late.

The end result being the incoming service from Waterloo ended up on platform 5 for the 25 minutes or so that it takes to turn around. As a result of that, a couple of services coming from Waterloo and carrying on south had to cross over to platform 2.

 

[mansonlo49]

There was another single 458 out on Reading services today. Seems to be becoming quite common as more 458s head off for refurbishment.

i see

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Seemed to be an issue with it as it ended up departing 20 minutes late.

The end result being the incoming service from Waterloo ended up on platform 5 for the 25 minutes or so that it takes to turn around. As a result of that, a couple of services coming from Waterloo and carrying on south had to cross over to platform 2.

what happened please？thx

 

[Zenneth101]

Class 458s have been ruined now

 

[jwhite9185]

i see

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what happened please？thx

No idea, just noticed it went past at nearer to 55 past rather than 33 past. And the incoming that arrives around 38 past couldn’t use platform 3 as the 458 was still there.

 

[mansonlo49]

No idea, just noticed it went past at nearer to 55 past rather than 33 past. And the incoming that arrives around 38 past couldn’t use platform 3 as the 458 was still there.

its ok thank you though

 

[lxfe_mxtterz]

Seemed to be an issue with it as it ended up departing 20 minutes late.

The end result being the incoming service from Waterloo ended up on platform 5 for the 25 minutes or so that it takes to turn around. As a result of that, a couple of services coming from Waterloo and carrying on south had to cross over to platform 2.

what happened please？thx

No idea, just noticed it went past at nearer to 55 past rather than 33 past. And the incoming that arrives around 38 past couldn’t use platform 3 as the 458 was still there.

I expect this is the 2F58 1833 Woking to Waterloo that's being referred to?

If so, I happened to be passing up to Waterloo on this service and we left 18 minutes late due to the driver being delayed by disruption. Control were aware of the expected length of delay and changed the stopping pattern to run stops as booked to Surbiton, then fast to Waterloo, before quickly changing it again to Surbiton and Waterloo only.

 

[Siemens Staines]

It looks like 458401 may be making its debut in passenger service today on 2S13 to Weybridge. There is no allocation shown on RTT for 2S13, because it is a VSTP reinstated train, but 458401 is allocated to the 2S22 return from Weybridge

Realtime Trains | 2S13 0722 London Waterloo to Weybridge | 28/08/2024

Real-time train running information for 2S13 0722 departure from London Waterloo to Weybridge on 28/08/2024. From Realtime Trains, an independent source of train running info for Great Britain.

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Realtime Trains | 2S22 0903 Weybridge to London Waterloo | 28/08/2024

Real-time train running information for 2S22 0903 departure from Weybridge to London Waterloo on 28/08/2024. From Realtime Trains, an independent source of train running info for Great Britain.

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The onward path for 458511 from Eastleigh to Widnes is now on RTT

Thursday 29th August 2024
5Q95 1831 Eastleigh East Yard to Widnes Transport Tech

Realtime Trains | 5Q95 1831 Eastleigh East Yard to Widnes Transport Tech | 29/08/2024

Real-time train running information for 5Q95 1831 departure from Eastleigh East Yard to Widnes Transport Tech on 29/08/2024. From Realtime Trains, an independent source of train running info for Great Britain.

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One unusual allocation for this evening is for 2*455 on a 2*458/5 diagram to Windsor

21:33 London Waterloo to Windsor & Eton Riverside due 22:26
22:53 Windsor & Eton Riverside to London Waterloo due 23:49 will no longer call at Datchet.
This is due to a short-notice change to the timetable.
Will be formed of 8 coaches instead of 10.
Last Updated:28/08/2024 05:01

Realtime Trains | 2U69 2133 London Waterloo to Windsor & Eton Riverside | 28/08/2024

Real-time train running information for 2U69 2133 departure from London Waterloo to Windsor & Eton Riverside on 28/08/2024. From Realtime Trains, an independent source of train running info for Great Britain.

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[Goldfish62]

One unusual allocation for this evening is for 2*455 on a 2*458/5 diagram to Windsor

21:33 London Waterloo to Windsor & Eton Riverside due 22:26
22:53 Windsor & Eton Riverside to London Waterloo due 23:49 will no longer call at Datchet.
This is due to a short-notice change to the timetable.
Will be formed of 8 coaches instead of 10.
Last Updated:28/08/2024 05:01

That's pretty desperate!

 

[Andy1673]

It looks like 458401 may be making its debut in passenger service today on 2S13 to Weybridge. There is no allocation shown on RTT for 2S13, because it is a VSTP reinstated train, but 458401 is allocated to the 2S22 return from Weybridge

Realtime Trains | 2S13 0722 London Waterloo to Weybridge | 28/08/2024

Real-time train running information for 2S13 0722 departure from London Waterloo to Weybridge on 28/08/2024. From Realtime Trains, an independent source of train running info for Great Britain.

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Realtime Trains | 2S22 0903 Weybridge to London Waterloo | 28/08/2024

Real-time train running information for 2S22 0903 departure from Weybridge to London Waterloo on 28/08/2024. From Realtime Trains, an independent source of train running info for Great Britain.

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The onward path for 458511 from Eastleigh to Widnes is now on RTT

Thursday 29th August 2024
5Q95 1831 Eastleigh East Yard to Widnes Transport Tech

Realtime Trains | 5Q95 1831 Eastleigh East Yard to Widnes Transport Tech | 29/08/2024

Real-time train running information for 5Q95 1831 departure from Eastleigh East Yard to Widnes Transport Tech on 29/08/2024. From Realtime Trains, an independent source of train running info for Great Britain.

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One unusual allocation for this evening is for 2*455 on a 2*458/5 diagram to Windsor

21:33 London Waterloo to Windsor & Eton Riverside due 22:26
22:53 Windsor & Eton Riverside to London Waterloo due 23:49 will no longer call at Datchet.
This is due to a short-notice change to the timetable.
Will be formed of 8 coaches instead of 10.
Last Updated:28/08/2024 05:01

Realtime Trains | 2U69 2133 London Waterloo to Windsor & Eton Riverside | 28/08/2024

Real-time train running information for 2U69 2133 departure from London Waterloo to Windsor & Eton Riverside on 28/08/2024. From Realtime Trains, an independent source of train running info for Great Britain.

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Today this diagram all day 2x455 instead of 2x458. Starts 2H08 05:43 off Teddington and finished 2U76 22:53 off Windsor

Likely SWR wants to replace the last pair of 707s by the pair of 458/5. Then the pair of diagrams Wimbledon - Strawberry Hill overnight then to Wimbledon will be served by 455s. These two

Wimbledon Park depot sdgs 5D11-1D12-2J13-2J20-2D19-2D32-2J33-2J40-2D39-2D52-2J53-2J60-2D59-2D72-2K73-
5K73 Strawberry Hill CSD ->
Strawberry Hill CSD 5H08-2H08-2H07-2H16-2H15-2H24-2H23-2H32-2H31-2H40-2H39-2H48-2H47-2H56-2H55-5H64-2U69-2U76-
5Y68 Wimbledon Park depot sdgs

 

[Siemens Staines]

Strawberry Hill CSD 5H08-2H08-2H07-2H16-2H15-2H24-2H23-2H32-2H31-2H40-2H39-2H48-2H47-2H56-2H55-5H64-2U69-2U76-
5Y68 Wimbledon Park depot sdgs

But that would mean 2U76 has to permanently skip calling at Datchet, so I suspect that there is more to it than that?

 

[SWT_USER]

It looks like 458401 may be making its debut in passenger service today on 2S13 to Weybridge. There is no allocation shown on RTT for 2S13, because it is a VSTP reinstated train, but 458401 is allocated to the 2S22 return from Weybridge

Realtime Trains | 2S13 0722 London Waterloo to Weybridge | 28/08/2024

Real-time train running information for 2S13 0722 departure from London Waterloo to Weybridge on 28/08/2024. From Realtime Trains, an independent source of train running info for Great Britain.

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Realtime Trains | 2S22 0903 Weybridge to London Waterloo | 28/08/2024

Real-time train running information for 2S22 0903 departure from Weybridge to London Waterloo on 28/08/2024. From Realtime Trains, an independent source of train running info for Great Britain.

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The onward path for 458511 from Eastleigh to Widnes is now on RTT

Thursday 29th August 2024
5Q95 1831 Eastleigh East Yard to Widnes Transport Tech

Realtime Trains | 5Q95 1831 Eastleigh East Yard to Widnes Transport Tech | 29/08/2024

Real-time train running information for 5Q95 1831 departure from Eastleigh East Yard to Widnes Transport Tech on 29/08/2024. From Realtime Trains, an independent source of train running info for Great Britain.

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One unusual allocation for this evening is for 2*455 on a 2*458/5 diagram to Windsor

21:33 London Waterloo to Windsor & Eton Riverside due 22:26
22:53 Windsor & Eton Riverside to London Waterloo due 23:49 will no longer call at Datchet.
This is due to a short-notice change to the timetable.
Will be formed of 8 coaches instead of 10.
Last Updated:28/08/2024 05:01

Realtime Trains | 2U69 2133 London Waterloo to Windsor & Eton Riverside | 28/08/2024

Real-time train running information for 2U69 2133 departure from London Waterloo to Windsor & Eton Riverside on 28/08/2024. From Realtime Trains, an independent source of train running info for Great Britain.

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That's pretty desperate!

Agree that is awful. Why can't they swap a pair of 450's from another diagram? They've got all day to do organise it..

(or even better, finally get the 701's in service)

 

[Big Jumby 74]

One unusual allocation for this evening is for 2*455 on a 2*458/5 diagram to Windsor

21:33 London Waterloo to Windsor & Eton Riverside due 22:26
22:53 Windsor & Eton Riverside to London Waterloo due 23:49 will no longer call at Datchet.
This is due to a short-notice change to the timetable.
Will be formed of 8 coaches instead of 10.

I don't know, but experience tells me this may be a result of late night engineering work (or a last minute alteration to same perhaps) that will disrupt the last part of the 458/5 diagram, potentially meaning an 8 vice 10 car morning peak train tomorrow morning. Rather than do that, it may have been decided to do a diagram swap late tonight to a) cover the service tonight, albeit with a call at Datchet removed, but more importantly. b) to maintain 10 car formation on a morning peak train tomorrow. As said, that is my ex job hat on, not any insider knowledge as to this particular case in question.

 

[HamworthyGoods]

Agree that is awful. Why can't they swap a pair of 450's from another diagram? They've got all day to do organise it..

(or even better, finally get the 701's in service)

Which is exactly was has now happened and the train will call at Datchet.

 

[swr444]

Which is exactly was has now happened and the train will call at Datchet.

It’s a 5 car now so presume a 5 458/5

 

[gazr]

It looks like 458401 may be making its debut in passenger service today on 2S13 to Weybridge. There is no allocation shown on RTT for 2S13, because it is a VSTP reinstated train, but 458401 is allocated to the 2S22 return from Weybridge

Realtime Trains | 2S13 0722 London Waterloo to Weybridge | 28/08/2024

Real-time train running information for 2S13 0722 departure from London Waterloo to Weybridge on 28/08/2024. From Realtime Trains, an independent source of train running info for Great Britain.

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Realtime Trains | 2S22 0903 Weybridge to London Waterloo | 28/08/2024

Real-time train running information for 2S22 0903 departure from Weybridge to London Waterloo on 28/08/2024. From Realtime Trains, an independent source of train running info for Great Britain.

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The onward path for 458511 from Eastleigh to Widnes is now on RTT

Thursday 29th August 2024
5Q95 1831 Eastleigh East Yard to Widnes Transport Tech

Realtime Trains | 5Q95 1831 Eastleigh East Yard to Widnes Transport Tech | 29/08/2024

Real-time train running information for 5Q95 1831 departure from Eastleigh East Yard to Widnes Transport Tech on 29/08/2024. From Realtime Trains, an independent source of train running info for Great Britain.

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One unusual allocation for this evening is for 2*455 on a 2*458/5 diagram to Windsor

21:33 London Waterloo to Windsor & Eton Riverside due 22:26
22:53 Windsor & Eton Riverside to London Waterloo due 23:49 will no longer call at Datchet.
This is due to a short-notice change to the timetable.
Will be formed of 8 coaches instead of 10.
Last Updated:28/08/2024 05:01

Realtime Trains | 2U69 2133 London Waterloo to Windsor & Eton Riverside | 28/08/2024

Real-time train running information for 2U69 2133 departure from London Waterloo to Windsor & Eton Riverside on 28/08/2024. From Realtime Trains, an independent source of train running info for Great Britain.

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Thanks for the info. Was standing near the end of WAE when I read this and decided to use RTT to see where 8401 was, and as luck would have it, it was sitting in P19 @ WAT Only had 9 minutes to get over, but managed it with about a minute to spare, as 8401 was on the front One less to scratch.

 

[mansonlo49]

after today's transfer, unit 511 to Widnes, down to 4 till for convert (502–503, 514, 519). Does anyone know where's 503 and 514? Thanks, as can't search them on RTT recently

 

[Siemens Staines]

after today's transfer, unit 511 to Widnes, down to 4 till for convert (502–503, 514, 519). Does anyone know where's 503 and 514? Thanks, as can't search them on RTT recently

458503 was last out on 23.08.24

Realtime Trains | 2J98 2359 Hampton Court to Wimbledon | 23/08/2024

Real-time train running information for 2J98 2359 departure from Hampton Court to Wimbledon on 23/08/2024. From Realtime Trains, an independent source of train running info for Great Britain.

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458514 had a vehicle transported by road to Brodies for corrosion repairs on 28.06.24