SWR Class 458 to be retained

[TEW]

Not without a significant payment to drivers. In 2018 it was written into drivers contracts that every passenger train would have a safety critical (rules trained) person on board in addition to the driver, but that going forward method of operation would be driver open / driver close on stock suitable for that method of operation.

Anyway, I’m sure we’re about to get our collars felt by the mods for veering off topic!

Given the incredible difficulties faced by SWR in trying to introduce DCO with the 701s, and the compromise now reached with guards retaining door control in some circumstances I can't imagine there is an appetite to try and introduce DOO.

== Doublepost prevention - post automatically merged: 9 Aug 2024 ==

458428 entering service this afternoon on 2S45, 1522 London Waterloo to Weybridge

 

[Goldfish62]

458/5s have returned to Reading services on a weekday, at least for today. 458030 and 458036 are on the diagram which includes the 0739 from Reading and is currently the one all-day Reading line 455 diagram.

 

[Siemens Staines]

It looks like the 458/5s to Reading today have come off the Windsor peaks diagram which is 450s this morning. I imagine these are the 450s freed up by 2R07 being 458/4s as of today

 

[GW43125]

Must say I was pleasantly surprised at the 458s on 2C18 this morning, though the question remains of whether it's a one off or staying...

 

[TEW]

458/5s have returned to Reading services on a weekday, at least for today. 458030 and 458036 are on the diagram which includes the 0739 from Reading and is currently the one all-day Reading line 455 diagram.

It's booked all this week at least.

 

[Goldfish62]

It's booked all this week at least.

Thanks.

 

[nctd2306]

458/5s have returned to Reading services on a weekday, at least for today. 458030 and 458036 are on the diagram which includes the 0739 from Reading and is currently the one all-day Reading line 455 diagram.

Didn't realise a 458036 had ever existed!
I too was surprised (but not complaining) to see an all day 458 on the Readings again, indeed I'm onboard 536 now where we have been crawling behind the previous Reading train which is 26 minutes late...

 

[Goldfish62]

Didn't realise a 458036 had ever existed!
I too was surprised (but not complaining) to see an all day 458 on the Readings again, indeed I'm onboard 536 now where we have been crawling behind the previous Reading train which is 26 minutes late...

Before today your train would have been a 455, crawling along in the current heat...

 

[The_Train]

458412 allocated to enter service this afternoon on 2S45, 1522 London Waterloo to Weybridge.

Can anyone advise when 412 completed its conversion please?

Some of the paths for next weeks transfer from/to Widnes are now on RTT. As is normal at this stage, the onward path from Eastleigh to Widnes is yet to be uploaded. I think that this should be 458409 from Widnes and 458506 to Widnes.

Monday 12th August 2024
5Z53 0709 Leicester L.I.P. to Widnes Transport Tech

Realtime Trains | 5Z53 0709½ Leicester L.I.P. to Widnes Transport Tech | 12/08/2024

Real-time train running information for 5Z53 0709½ departure from Leicester L.I.P. to Widnes Transport Tech on 12/08/2024. From Realtime Trains, an independent source of train running info for Great Britain.

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5Q62 1311 Widnes Transport Tech to Wembley Receptions 1-7

Realtime Trains | 5Q62 1311 Widnes Transport Tech to Wembley Receptions 1-7 | 12/08/2024

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Tuesday 13th August 2024
5X64 1130 Wembley Receptions 1-7 to Southampton Central

Realtime Trains | 5X64 1130 Wembley Receptions 1-7 to Southampton Central | 13/08/2024

Real-time train running information for 5X64 1130 departure from Wembley Receptions 1-7 to Southampton Central on 13/08/2024. From Realtime Trains, an independent source of train running info for Great Britain.

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5Q64 1531 Southampton Central to Bournemouth T&R.S.M.D

Realtime Trains | 5Q64 1531 Southampton Central to Bournemouth T&R.S.M.D | 13/08/2024

Real-time train running information for 5Q64 1531 departure from Southampton Central to Bournemouth T&R.S.M.D on 13/08/2024. From Realtime Trains, an independent source of train running info for Great Britain.

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5Z66 2018 Bournemouth T&R.S.M.D to Eastleigh East Yard

Realtime Trains | 5Z66 2018 Bournemouth T&R.S.M.D to Eastleigh East Yard | 13/08/2024

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Any confirmation of the units being as predicted here?

 

[43096]

Can anyone advise when 412 completed its conversion please?

I have it as being released from Alstom on 10 June.

 

[nctd2306]

Before today your train would have been a 455, crawling along in the current heat...

I did think that, I've caught 455s on that service previously so was enjoying every last bit of the aircon available!
I did see a number of refurbished 458s today and I think it's a shame they aren't cleared for Reading services (does anyone know why yet?), if its a choice between 8 car trains I'd probably take them over both a 450 and 455

 

[strimmer]

Am I right in thinking that the numbers of the refurbished units stay the same, just changing the 5 for a 4. So when 458509 returns from Widnes it will be 458409.

 

[Phil R]

Am I right in thinking that the numbers of the refurbished units stay the same, just changing the 5 for a 4. So when 458509 returns from Widnes it will be 458409.

Correct.

 

[Nicholas Lewis]

UID 458 sitting in Wembley with 69009 ready and waiting to take forward to Eastleigh.

 

[mansonlo49]

UID 458 sitting in Wembley with 69009 ready and waiting to take forward to Eastleigh.

shd be 458409

 

[Siemens Staines]

The path from Eastleigh to Widnes for 458506 is now on RTT

Wednesday 14th August 2024
5Q95 1831 Eastleigh East Yard to Widnes Transport Tech

Realtime Trains | 5Q95 1831 Eastleigh East Yard to Widnes Transport Tech | 14/08/2024

Real-time train running information for 5Q95 1831 departure from Eastleigh East Yard to Widnes Transport Tech on 14/08/2024. From Realtime Trains, an independent source of train running info for Great Britain.

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[Invincible]

458529,530,532,533,535,536

So with 458/4s entering services, there will be 6 458/5s left for use on the Reading lines (until 701s replace them when staff are trained), 2 458/5s (531 and 534) returning to Porterbrook.
Presumably 701s will replace 455s before the 458/5s

 

[Goldfish62]

So with 458/4s entering services, there will be 6 458/5s left for use on the Reading lines (until 701s replace them when staff are trained), 2 458/5s (531 and 534) returning to Porterbrook.
Presumably 701s will replace 455s before the 458/5s

It's been a long time since the 458/5s were prioritised for the Reading line. I imagine they'll continue to be used across the suburban network on diagrams where their capacity is most needed.

 

[Siemens Staines]

So with 458/4s entering services, there will be 6 458/5s left for use on the Reading lines

Back in June @WarrenTManager posted (#3116)

8531/2 are closest to the C4 mileage that means they will be off lease of the seven. The others will drop when they too reach the 750,000 miles from last C4.

so there may not be six of 458529-536 still with SWR by the time the 458/4 conversions are complete, depending upon how many miles 458532 has remaining

 

[TEW]

458423 in service this afternoon on 2S45, 1522 London Waterloo to Weybridge.

== Doublepost prevention - post automatically merged: 14 Aug 2024 ==

The two booked Saturday 458/4 diagrams start this weekend. Very much subject to change week to week with engineering work and events taking place, but they are running this Saturday.

2S05 0522 Waterloo to Weybridge
2S14 0703 Weybridge to Waterloo
2S19 0852 Waterloo to Weybridge
2S28 1033 Weybridge to Waterloo
2S33 1222 Waterloo to Weybridge
2S42 1403 Weybridge to Waterloo
2S47 1552 Waterloo to Weybridge
2S56 1733 Weybridge to Waterloo
2S61 1922 Waterloo to Weybridge
2S70 2103 Weybridge to Waterloo
2S79 2352 Waterloo to Hounslow

2U04 0458 Staines to Waterloo
2S11 0652 Waterloo to Weybridge
2S20 0833 Weybridge to Waterloo
2S25 1022 Waterloo to Weybridge
2S34 1203 Weybridge to Waterloo
2S39 1352 Waterloo to Weybridge
2S48 1533 Weybridge to Waterloo
2S53 1722 Waterloo to Weybridge
2S62 1903 Weybridge to Waterloo
2S67 2052 Waterloo to Weybridge
2S76 2233 Weybridge to Waterloo
2V77 0022 Waterloo to Hounslow

 

[nctd2306]

458423 in service this afternoon on 2S45, 1522 London Waterloo to Weybridge.

== Doublepost prevention - post automatically merged: 14 Aug 2024 ==

The two booked Saturday 458/4 diagrams start this weekend. Very much subject to change week to week with engineering work and events taking place, but they are running this Saturday.
2U04 0458 Staines to Waterloo

I'm liking that departure time of 2U04, seems appropriate

 

[strimmer]

Correct.

Thanks for confirming that.

 

[DCtrains]

Only 4 458/5 diagrams remain and are as such:

5D11 Wimbledon Pk - Dorking
1D12 Dorking - Waterloo
2J13 Waterloo - Hampton Court
2J20 Hampton Court - Waterloo
2D19 Waterloo - Guildford
2D32 Guildford - Waterloo
2J33 Waterloo - Hampton Court
2J40 Hampton Court - Waterloo
2D39 Waterloo - Guildford
2D52 Guildford - Waterloo
2J53 Waterloo - Hampton Court
2J60 Hampton Court - Waterloo
2D59 Waterloo - Guildford
2D72 Guildford - Waterloo
2K73 Waterloo - Twickenham (Via Kingston)
5K73 Twickenham - Strawberry Hill CSD

5H05 Strawberry Hill CSD - Kingston
2H05 Kingston - Shepperton
2H14 Shepperton - Waterloo
2H13 Waterloo - Shepperton
2H22 Shepperton - Waterloo
2H21 Waterloo - Shepperton
2H30 Shepperton - Waterloo
2H29 Waterloo - Shepperton
2H38 Shepperton - Waterloo
2H37 Waterloo - Shepperton
2H46 Shepperton - Waterloo
2H45 Waterloo - Shepperton
2H54 Shepperton - Waterloo
2H53 Waterloo - Shepperton
2H62 Shepperton - Waterloo
2H61 Waterloo - Shepperton
2H70 Shepperton - Waterloo
2H69 Waterloo - Shepperton
2H78 Shepperton - Waterloo
5Y75 Waterloo - Wimbledon Park

5H08 Strawberry Hill CSD - Teddington
2H08 Teddington - Waterloo
2H07 Waterloo - Shepperton
2H16 Shepperton - Waterloo
2H15 Waterloo - Shepperton
2H24 Shepperton - Waterloo
2H23 Waterloo - Shepperton
2H32 Shepperton - Waterloo
2H31 Waterloo - Shepperton
2H40 Shepperton - Waterloo
2H39 Waterloo - Shepperton
2H48 Shepperton - Waterloo
2H47 Waterloo - Shepperton
2H56 Shepperton - Waterloo
2H55 Waterloo - Shepperton
5H64 Shepperton - Waterloo (Via Richmond)
2U69 Waterloo - Windsor & ER
2U76 Windsor & ER - Waterloo
5Y68 Waterloo - Wimbledon Park

5C07 Wimbledon Park - Waterloo
2C07 Waterloo - Reading
2C18 Reading - Waterloo
2C21 Waterloo - Reading
2C32 Reading - Waterloo
2C35 Waterloo - Reading
2C46 Reading - Waterloo
2C49 Waterloo - Reading
2C60 Reading - Waterloo
2C63 Waterloo - Reading
2C74 Reading - Waterloo
2O75 Waterloo - Kingston
5O75 Kingston - Strawberry Hill CSD

Catch them while you can!

 

[mansonlo49]

Back in June @WarrenTManager posted (#3116)



so there may not be six of 458529-536 still with SWR by the time the 458/4 conversions are complete, depending upon how many miles 458532 has remaining

May I please ask what will happen to the remaining 458 (529–536) in the future.
Forgotten is there a post previously thanks

 

[swr444]

May I please ask what will happen to the remaining 458 (529–536) in the future.
Forgotten is there a post previously thanks

most likely going on the scrap heap

 

[mansonlo49]

most likely going on the scrap heap

scrap？they not that old

 

[Wolfie]

scrap？they not that old

What usefully, other perhaps than SWR changing their current plans, could be done with a micro class of 8, particularly given that they are restricted to third rail?

Likely to be stripped for parts to keep their remaining sister units, and Scot Rail cousins, going.

 

[norbitonflyer]

scrap？they not that old

25 years, and a subfleet of just eight units (not all the same). Plenty of complete classes with shorter lifespans.

EMUs
Class 311 (1967-1990)
Class 332 (1998-2020)
Class 373 (1994 - majority of the fleet scrapped between 2014 and 2018)
Class 432 (1966-1992)

1983 Tube stock

DMUs
Class 109 (1957-1971)
Class 112 (1960-1969)
Class 113 (1960-1969)
Class 123 (1963-1984)
Class 124 (1960-1984)
Class 125 (1959-1977)
Class 141 (1984-2005)
Class 144 (1986-2020)
Class 175 (2000-2023)

Locomotives
01, 02, 04-07*, 10, 12-17, 21-24, 28, 29, 35, 41-44, 46*, 52, 55, 71, 74, 77, 82 and 84
(*note, examples of classes 05, 06, 46 survived longer in departmental use,)

 

[LUYMun]

Class 144 (1986-2020)

Think you'll find that's a lifespan of 34 years

 

[Wolfie]

25 years, and a subfleet of just eight units (not all the same). Plenty of complete classes with shorter lifespans.

EMUs
Class 311 (1967-1990)
Class 332 (1998-2020)
Class 373 (1994 - majority of the fleet scrapped between 2014 and 2018)
Class 432 (1966-1992)

DMUs
Class 109 (1957-1971)
Class 112 (1960-1969)
Class 113 (1960-1969)
Class 123 (1963-1984)
Class 124 (1960-1984)
Class 125 (1959-1977)
Class 141 (1984-2005)
Class 144 (1986-2020)
Class 175 (2000-2023)

Locomotives
01, 02, 04, 07, 10, 12-17, 21-24, 28, 29, 35, 41-44, 52, 55, 71, 74, 77, 82 and 84

Is that the Class 175 widely reported as destined for GWR?