Southeastern metro fleet replacement/improvement

[Steve Rickett]

5Q76 stalled at Maindee West Junction just outside Newport station. Reason unclear. last report on RTT was four early. Currently 125 late and counting.

 

[720_Aventra]

5Q76 stalled at Maindee West Junction just outside Newport station. Reason unclear. last report on RTT was four early. Currently 125 late and counting.

Now moving 180 late

 

[brad465]

Now moving 180 late

I feel sorry for anyone who went to spot it passing through Newport station.

 

[Steve Rickett]

Had to do a return journey to STJ to view it!

 

[Wheelspinz]

Do any of the /9s regen breaking enabled?

No /9's have regen enabled. A trial was done for a while but isolated again. The system is too time-consuming to recommission and some parts are obsolete if they need replacing.

 

[Robin Edwards]

There's a 5Q48 working from Ely Mif tomorrow 20/5 to the Mid Norfolk Railway - anyone know what this might be? Networkers?

 

[SEtrains]

There's a 5Q48 working from Ely Mif tomorrow 20/5 to the Mid Norfolk Railway - anyone know what this might be? Networkers?

 

[Chorley Cake]

The trains at the Mid-Norfolk will be soiling themselves when they see one of those ROG 37’s turning up.

 

[Robin Edwards]

That explains 5Q48 but why would a ROG 37 need to overnight at Ely en-route from Derby to MNR? Is it collecting something else from Ely?

 

[Class15]

That explains 5Q48 but why would a ROG 37 need to overnight at Ely en-route from Derby to MNR? Is it collecting something else from Ely?

I assume it’s taking a unit to the MNR, particularly as it’s a ‘5’ headcode which doesn’t fit with a light loco.

 

[ScotGG]

So much time has passed I can't remember when the estimate for tender award was? Spring 2025?

 

[frankmoh]

I guarantee that 465s (but maybe not 466s) will be still be about in 2035. It will be like the situation with the Bakerloo Line's 1972 stock, which funnily enough is what the 465s might be replaced by if TfL ever gets their plans to go on the Hayes line through. (its been nearly 20 years!)

 

[brad465]

I guarantee that 465s (but maybe not 466s) will be still be about in 2035. It will be like the situation with the Bakerloo Line's 1972 stock, which funnily enough is what the 465s might be replaced by if TfL ever gets their plans to go on the Hayes line through. (its been nearly 20 years!)

I think the Bakerloo line stock replacement would be first priority over any line extension, and certainly a higher priority than any extension beyond Lewisham, even where a new fleet is delayed for whatever reason.

Some 465s still being in service in 2035 maybe pushing it if a tender is approved this year, though 2030 is much more likely to still see them.

 

[Pinza68]

465.005 and 178 are no longer in Grosvenor sidings. Today they were occupied by 465184 and 466036

 

[brad465]

Tomorrow's drag is now in RTT. What's interesting about it is that, while the route is the same as recent ones, its headcode is 7Q76, not 5Q76, so is pathed to take longer and run slower (it appears to arrive at Newport around 3 hours later). This suggests the unit(s) being dragged have issues that restrict its running:

Realtime Trains | 7Q76 0857 Ely Mlf Papworth Sidings to Newport Docks (Simsgroup) | 22/05/2025

Real-time train running information for 7Q76 0857 departure from Ely Mlf Papworth Sidings to Newport Docks (Simsgroup) on 22/05/2025. From Realtime Trains, an independent source of train running info for Great Britain.

www.realtimetrains.co.uk

 

[frankmoh]

I think the Bakerloo line stock replacement would be first priority over any line extension, and certainly a higher priority than any extension beyond Lewisham, even where a new fleet is delayed for whatever reason.

Some 465s still being in service in 2035 maybe pushing it if a tender is approved this year, though 2030 is much more likely to still see them.

I'm sure the Bromley North line will have them trudging along to Grove Park every week in 2035.

 

[brad465]

Tomorrow's drag is now in RTT. What's interesting about it is that, while the route is the same as recent ones, its headcode is 7Q76, not 5Q76, so is pathed to take longer and run slower (it appears to arrive at Newport around 3 hours later). This suggests the unit(s) being dragged have issues that restrict its running:

Realtime Trains | 7Q76 0857 Ely Mlf Papworth Sidings to Newport Docks (Simsgroup) | 22/05/2025

Real-time train running information for 7Q76 0857 departure from Ely Mlf Papworth Sidings to Newport Docks (Simsgroup) on 22/05/2025. From Realtime Trains, an independent source of train running info for Great Britain.

www.realtimetrains.co.uk

They were next to each other on the production line, and now 465238 and 239 are together on the journey to the scrap line.

 

[Robin Edwards]

They were next to each other on the production line, and now 465238 and 239 are together on the journey to the scrap line.

That means no more 465/2's left at Ely. It will be interesting to see if the remaining 466s and 465/9s will follow?

 

[Sutton in Ant]

I wonder when Southeastern Railway will announce who has won the tender to build the new trains to replace the Networkers?

 

[ScotGG]

Get some pacers back from the schoolyard. Could well be in better condition inside

 

[50002Superb]

In the latest NREA Spotters Companion the 465/2s are still listed as being in existence albeit I think most, if not all, of these have now gone for scrap.

Is anyone able to confirm which have gone and when please?

465236 EP - to Newport 15/05
465237 YM
465238 EP - to Newport 22/05
465239 EP - to Newport 22/05
465240 EP - to Newport 27/03
465241 WK
465242 WK
465243 EP - to Newport 08/05
465244 EP - to Kingsbury 08/04
465245 EP - to Booths 10/04
465246 EP - to Kingsbury 08/04
465247 WK
465248 EP - to Newport 27/03
465249 EP - to Booths 31/03
465250 EP - to Newport 08/05

Edited due to updates subsequently identified

I saw 465237 at Yarmouth on 18 April.

Are those listed as being at Worksop still there?

 

[frankmoh]

That means no more 465/2's left at Ely. It will be interesting to see if the remaining 466s and 465/9s will follow?

I wonder why the 465/2 are getting the scrap first, and the 465/9s are starting to get stored? (aside from 465908 for a while I presume) Are the Metro-Cammell units worse for wear compared to the British Rail and ABB 465s?

 

[brad465]

I wonder why the 465/2 are getting the scrap first, and the 465/9s are starting to get stored? (aside from 465908 for a while I presume) Are the Metro-Cammell units worse for wear compared to the British Rail and ABB 465s?

Reliability was probably a factor with the 2s, but I strongly suspect the main reason is that the same leasing company is involved in both the 707s and MetCam Networkers (Angel Trains), therefore handling them all is relatively simple.

 

[reddragon]

In the latest NREA Spotters Companion the 465/2s are still listed as being in existence albeit I think most, if not all, of these have now gone for scrap.

Is anyone able to confirm which have gone and when please?

465236 EP - to Newport 15/05
465237 YM
465238 EP - to Newport 22/05
465239 EP - to Newport 22/05
465240 EP - to Newport 27/03
465241 WK
465242 WK
465243 EP - to Newport 08/05
465244 EP - to Kingsbury 08/04
465245 EP - to Booths 10/04
465246 EP - to Kingsbury 08/04
465247 WK
465248 EP - to Newport 27/03
465249 EP - to Booths 31/03
465250 EP - to Newport 08/05

Edited due to updates subsequently identified

I saw 465237 at Yarmouth on 18 April.

Are those listed as being at Worksop still there?

465235 was scrapped too!

 

[50002Superb]

465235 was scrapped too!

I assume that pre-dated the latest NREA book given that it wasn’t in the list above.

 

[brad465]

I assume that pre-dated the latest NREA book given that it wasn’t in the list above.

465235 was a parts' donor at Doncaster, its scrapping was mainly achieved by removing all the useful parts then towing what was left to Booths by road.

 

[frankmoh]

I wonder why the 376s are being painted first before they actually get refurbished? Sorely disappointed to find out they did not have USB ports yet on my commute yesterday.

And yes I know they aren't actually painted but instead wrapped. You all know what I mean by a white and yellow train becoming blue.

 

[Phil R]

I wonder why the 376s are being painted first before they actually get refurbished? Sorely disappointed to find out they did not have USB ports yet on my commute yesterday.

And yes I know they aren't actually painted but instead wrapped. You all know what I mean by a white and yellow train becoming blue.

Exteriors (actually vinyl) underway now. The interior works are to start at the end of the year.

 

[Roger B]

465235 was a parts' donor at Doncaster, its scrapping was mainly achieved by removing all the useful parts then towing what was left to Booths by road.

Could anyone provide the date(s) when 65734 and 65784 went to Booths, please - many thanks.

 

[frankmoh]

Exteriors (actually vinyl) underway now. The interior works are to start at the end of the year.

It will be a sad day when the Southeastern fleet is a homogenous blue (apart from one). Although to be fair NSE trains were all the same livery. Maybe its the fact they had more than one colour on it.