smacking

[Tony2215]

Todays generation of kids are running amok and they seem to have grown up thinking smacking is a form of bodily harm and even the law is on their side.

But when I was a child I was smacked whenever I was naughty was even whipped with a belt or slipper. I was also witness to other children in my class at school being smacked by teachers but I think it worked, I grew up respecting elders, I daren't open my mouth unless I was spoken to and always did as I was told.

So does smacking a child teach them discipline and respect or is it a form of assault?

 

[bussnapperwm]

the whimpering DoGooders would say it's abuse no matter what context it was in but personally I believe a good whack when a delinquentunruly child misbehaves Should be administered to them!

 

[yorkie]

Todays generation of kids are running amok ...

Some are, that's true. But let's get this into perspective; it's a minority!

But when I was a child I was smacked whenever I was naughty was even whipped with a belt or slipper. I was also witness to other children in my class at school being smacked by teachers but I think it worked, I grew up respecting elders, I daren't open my mouth unless I was spoken to and always did as I was told.

So does smacking a child teach them discipline and respect or is it a form of assault?

I guess it depends on how hard the smack is, but whipping with a belt is clearly an assault and would not in any way 'teach discipline'.

It's likely to instil fear, but that's hardly constructive.

I don't agree that children of your generation which grew up with whipping being considered acceptable were as perfectly well behaved as your post appears to imply, as relatives of that generation have told me this!

 

[Jordeh]

I completely disagree with your summary of "todays generation of kids". Has it occurred to you that every generation is always seen as less respectful of their elders and out of control?

This has been going on for centuries, infact the previous generation probably said it about your generation.

Well worth a read; http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/t...kids-disrespecting-their-elders-since-4000bc/

...The quote about youth loving luxury and having bad manners is a quote from an Aristophanes play. Basically, kids have always been ghastly little sods, and older people have always thought the world is going to hell in a handcart....

 

[SS4]

Todays generation of kids are running amok and they seem to have grown up thinking beating is a form of bodily harm and even the law is on their side. But when I was a child I was beaten whenever I was naughty was even whipped with a belt or slipper. I was also witness to other children in my class at school being beaten by teachers but I think it worked, I grew up respecting elders, I daren't open my mouth unless I was spoken to and always did as I was told. So does beating a child teach them discipline and respect or is it a form of assault?

I've replaced the word smack (and derivatives) with beat (which is basically what you're doing) - how does it look now. I suppose if you're asking for fear instead of love then it's fantastic. It certainly instils fear and I also suspect the feral monsters you portray do not exist outside the Daily Mail's HQ.

Legally speaking, it all comes down to what reasonable chastisement means.

 

[deltic]

Todays generation of kids are running amok and they seem to have grown up thinking smacking is a form of bodily harm and even the law is on their side.

But when I was a child I was smacked whenever I was naughty was even whipped with a belt or slipper. I was also witness to other children in my class at school being smacked by teachers but I think it worked, I grew up respecting elders, I daren't open my mouth unless I was spoken to and always did as I was told.

So does smacking a child teach them discipline and respect or is it a form of assault?

Discipline or sexual abuse? It appears quite a bit of it was the latter

 

[Searle]

It's ridiculous to think that kids getting smacked and how they act in life has any correlation. There are many examples of both ways and it angers me that you can even start to argue that kids are "worse" today because of it.

In my opinion, it's horrible, it's unnecessary and quite frankly, it's abuse.

 

[90sWereBetter]

It's ridiculous to think that kids getting smacked and how they act in life has any correlation. There are many examples of both ways and it angers me that you can even start to argue that kids are "worse" today because of it.

In my opinion, it's horrible, it's unnecessary and quite frankly, it's abuse.

This. So so much.

I was never smacked as a child, and I like to think I turned out quite alright. I respect my elders and behaved well at school (perhaps too well )

 

[Bevan Price]

This. So so much.

I was never smacked as a child, and I like to think I turned out quite alright. I respect my elders and behaved well at school (perhaps too well )

Unfortunately, kids are not all like you. A sizeable minority are little monsters who think they can create mayhem with near impunity, and the worst that will happen is that some do-gooder will comment on the lines of "poor mite had a deprived childhood, you cannot blame him / her" - and then tell the child "you shouldn't do that - don't do it again" -- totally ineffective for some of the little horrors.

 

[Antman]

the whimpering DoGooders would say it's abuse no matter what context it was in but personally I believe a good whack when a delinquentunruly child misbehaves Should be administered to them!

At my school there were kids from rough families but once they walked through the school gates they got the discipline that was sadly lacking in their home lives and yes that included trips to the headmasters office for the cane.

We've got to the point now where kids have more rights than adults!

 

[Tony2215]

It's ridiculous to think that kids getting smacked and how they act in life has any correlation. There are many examples of both ways and it angers me that you can even start to argue that kids are "worse" today because of it.

In my opinion, it's horrible, it's unnecessary and quite frankly, it's abuse.

A lot of uiruly youths these days that don't know right from wrong and I blame the soft touching, uneducated parenting

 

[Searle]

A lot of uiruly youths these days that don't know right from wrong and I blame the soft touching, uneducated parenting

Yes, because there were literally zero bad kids back in the 70's :roll:

It's preposterous to say that there are more "bad" kids now than there ever have been, and it's just as stupid to say that kids are unruly because they didn't get smacked as a kid.

 

[Antman]

Yes, because there were literally zero bad kids back in the 70's :roll:

It's preposterous to say that there are more "bad" kids now than there ever have been, and it's just as stupid to say that kids are unruly because they didn't get smacked as a kid.

Of course it isn't............how many kids bought knives to school in the 70's?:roll:

 

[Searle]

Of course it isn't............how many kids bought knives to school in the 70's?:roll:

If you have any statistics on the matter to compare then I'd love to see it.

 

[GaryMcEwan]

A 'smack' doesn't hurt anyone. I got smacked when I was younger by my parents and it never did me any harm. I used to get 'smacked' if I had done something wrong.

Now the PC mob have jumped on it and now say it's wrong if you do smack children.

 

[Emyr]

A 'smack' doesn't hurt anyone. I got smacked when I was younger by my parents and it never did me any harm.

A smack doesn't hurt? You've probably got Stockholm Syndrome.

I was beaten by my father. He became a pathetic feeble character once he was ejected from the family home and lost all authority over my siblings and I. We saw him for the bully he was. I now see my father as little as possible.

Violence intimidates but it never feeds respect. If that's your main tool, you've failed as a parent.

 

[Searle]

A smack doesn't hurt? You've probably got Stockholm Syndrome.

I was beaten by my father. He became a pathetic feeble character once he was ejected from the family home and lost all authority over my siblings and I. We saw him for the bully he was. I now see my father as little as possible.

Violence intimidates but it never feeds respect. If that's your main tool, you've failed as a parent.

My thoughts exactly, thank you.

The "PC Mob" have not come along suddenly said anything, it's a stupid phrase that people have made up because they can't seem to understand the fact that people have rights.

 

[muz379]

I was smacked a few times as a kid , it was a last resort and coupled with other punishment like not being able to watch what I wanted on the TV or sent to bed early . I however knew that my parents would smack me so I didn't push the boundaries and behaved well most of the time .

Interestingly for a lot of my upbringing my dad worked shifts and night work so we where often warned by my mother with the threat of "ill tell your dad when he gets in from work " or "you know what will happen if you wake your dad up" even though we never actually did know because we had never woke him up

Has it done me any harm ? I dont think so , I managed to do really well in my A levels , get into university get a degree and hold down a decent job as well as having a meaningful and functional relationship . I also dont have any problems with my parents and still get on with them really well .

If I had kids I certainly wouldn't consider smacking them off limits , although it would be a last resort coupled with another punishment and clearly reasoned to the child . I would ask serious questions and seek help if it was something I found that I repeatedly had reason to do .

 

[simple simon]

I was smacked, sometimes. Out in public however I was pinched, as it was less visible.

My father also sometimes used a belt on my bare backside. He wanted me to show remorse, but I refused to cry (in front of him) so in the end he became more frustrated than me.

Other brothers would cry at the mere threat so were not punished any further.

Once, when aged about 8 I used the f word in front of him. When we got back home he grabbed me by my hair and washed my mouth out with soap and water - the bar of soap actually went into my mouth. Because of that I rarely used the f word again, no matter where or when. So this punishment was effective.

Simon

Simon

 

[Antman]

My thoughts exactly, thank you.

The "PC Mob" have not come along suddenly said anything, it's a stupid phrase that people have made up because they can't seem to understand the fact that people have rights.

Yes people do have rights, children have the right to go to school without fear of being bullied by their peers. When I was at school bullies were given six of the best by the headmaster because as he said the one thing that a bully doesn't like is a dose of their own medicine. Since corporal punishment was abolished bullying has escalated out of control and has even lead to some children taking their own lives. Certainly in my schooldays bullying was rare and violence against teachers was unheard of, nowadays the first form of authority violent thugs come up against is a police officer or a court of law and by that stage it is often too late to reform them.

 

[Searle]

Yes people do have rights, children have the right to go to school without fear of being bullied by their peers. When I was at school bullies were given six of the best by the headmaster because as he said the one thing that a bully doesn't like is a dose of their own medicine. Since corporal punishment was abolished bullying has escalated out of control and has even lead to some children taking their own lives. Certainly in my schooldays bullying was rare and violence against teachers was unheard of, nowadays the first form of authority violent thugs come up against is a police officer or a court of law and by that stage it is often too late to reform them.

So if a child goes to school and gets bullied, and then comes home in a rightfully foul mood. The parent is then free to smack their child because they're not acting how the parent wants them to? How is this fair in any way? The child should be able to be at home without fear of being bullied more by their parents.

Again, it's outrageous that you can say that bullies are operating in our schools because of lack of smacking.

 

[Antman]

So if a child goes to school and gets bullied, and then comes home in a rightfully foul mood. The parent is then free to smack their child because they're not acting how the parent wants them to? How is this fair in any way? The child should be able to be at home without fear of being bullied more by their parents.

Again, it's outrageous that you can say that bullies are operating in our schools because of lack of smacking.

You're just being ridiculous now, who suggested the victim of bullying should be smacked?

It's not outrageous it's a statement of the obvious!

 

[Oswyntail]

.....Again, it's outrageous that you can say that bullies are operating in our schools because of lack of smacking.

...It's not outrageous it's a statement of the obvious!

Sorry, but, to me, anyone saying "It's obvious" is really saying "I have a gut feeling but no evidence".
I would agree that there is a problem with bullying, and not only among young people. However, I believe it is because of a breakdown in self-discipline amongst the older generations, that can be traced back to the abrogation of personal responsibilities in the 60's/70's. Really, if the only way you can think of to instil discipline is physical violence, then you have failed - I know, because I have done it - whether you are a parent, a teacher, policeman, soldier. If someone beats a dog, everyone thinks of her as a mindless brute - why should it be different for humans?

 

[Searle]

So if a child goes to school and gets bullied, and then comes home in a rightfully foul mood. The parent is then free to smack their child because they're not acting how the parent wants them to? How is this fair in any way? The child should be able to be at home without fear of being bullied more by their parents.

Again, it's outrageous that you can say that bullies are operating in our schools because of lack of smacking.

You're just being ridiculous now, who suggested the victim of bullying should be smacked?

It's not outrageous it's a statement of the obvious!

I'm the one being ridiculous? I'm not trying to justify bodily harm against a child!

 

[Antman]

Sorry, but, to me, anyone saying "It's obvious" is really saying "I have a gut feeling but no evidence".
I would agree that there is a problem with bullying, and not only among young people. However, I believe it is because of a breakdown in self-discipline amongst the older generations, that can be traced back to the abrogation of personal responsibilities in the 60's/70's. Really, if the only way you can think of to instil discipline is physical violence, then you have failed - I know, because I have done it - whether you are a parent, a teacher, policeman, soldier. If someone beats a dog, everyone thinks of her as a mindless brute - why should it be different for humans?

Well if you want to make comparisons to dogs, if a puppy does wrong its mother shakes it by the scruff of the neck.

I'm sure there are other factors as well but when there was corporal punishment were there kids stabbing each other?

Of course for the vast majority of kids just the knowledge that there was a cane in the headmasters office was enough to deter them from doing wrong.
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I'm the one being ridiculous? I'm not trying to justify bodily harm against a child!

I'll reply if and when you've got something useful to say:roll:

 

[Tetchytyke]

You shouldn't do to a child what you wouldn't do to an adult in the same situation.

If I smacked someone across the backside with a slapper because they were annoying me on the tube, I'd rightly be arrested for assault. So why is it suddenly ok when it's a child?

It's not about "PC gone maaaaaaaad", or whatever the Daily Mail readers would have us believe, it's about treating other people how you would expect to be treated yourself.

If you are resorting to violence- and smacking is violence- then you've lost the argument. It's true in all walks of life. I've a five-year-old and I've never needed or wanted to smack her. Discipline doesn't come at the end of a fist.

As for "the yoof of today are terrible", a notable philosopher agrees:

The children now love luxury; they have bad manners, contempt for authority; they show disrespect for elders and love chatter in place of exercise. Children are now tyrants, not the servants of their households. They no longer rise when elders enter the room. They contradict their parents, chatter before company, gobble up dainties at the table, cross their legs, and tyrannize their teachers.

Yep, it was Socrates saying that, in about 400BC
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Well if you want to make comparisons to dogs, if a puppy does wrong its mother shakes it by the scruff of the neck.

Indeed it does...because it is a dog, and not a person.

What a bizarre justification.

I'm sure there are other factors as well but when there was corporal punishment were there kids stabbing each other?

Yes, yes there was.

 

[Searle]

Well if you want to make comparisons to dogs, if a puppy does wrong its mother shakes it by the scruff of the neck.

Nice to see that you think we're the same as dogs

 

[ExRes]

If I smacked someone across the backside with a slapper because they were annoying me on the tube, I'd rightly be arrested for assault.

I expect her pimp would give you a smacking though .........

 

[Antman]

Nice to see that you think we're the same as dogs

Well read back through the thread.........I didn't bring dogs into it:roll:
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You shouldn't do to a child what you wouldn't do to an adult in the same situation.

If I smacked someone across the backside with a slapper because they were annoying me on the tube, I'd rightly be arrested for assault. So why is it suddenly ok when it's a child?

It's not about "PC gone maaaaaaaad", or whatever the Daily Mail readers would have us believe, it's about treating other people how you would expect to be treated yourself.

If you are resorting to violence- and smacking is violence- then you've lost the argument. It's true in all walks of life. I've a five-year-old and I've never needed or wanted to smack her. Discipline doesn't come at the end of a fist.

As for "the yoof of today are terrible", a notable philosopher agrees:



Yep, it was Socrates saying that, in about 400BC
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Indeed it does...because it is a dog, and not a person.

What a bizarre justification.



Yes, yes there was.

As I said I didn't bring dogs into it and the ridiculous comparison is you smacking an adult on the tube for annoying you!

Nobody has suggested smacking kids for annoying somebody, you just thought you'd throw in some emotive nonsense to cloud the issue. Obviously if an adult does wrong they are liable to arrest prosecution and even imprisonment, the debate is about suitable punishment for children who do wrong.

 

[90019]

Nice to see that you think we're the same as dogs

We're definitely not.




Dogs are much better.